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Above's an attempt to use what I just read about in this thread. We'll see how it works, yes? Chris Metzler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, 17 Aug 2004 21:27:56 -0400 > > Brian Pack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Ok... so it looks like going through the web archive is working, but > > who the hell knows if anybody is going to read it. ... > Stuff like this drives me nuts. This is a mailing list of users. > debian-*user*. Not developers. Not listmasters. Users. You have a > legitimate problem -- you're not getting list mail. Other people > here have confirmed the problem by saying that they, too, are not > getting mail; and they're on a variety of ISPs. So it sounds like > it's a problem with the list. The listmasters administer the list. > So it sounds like the listmasters are the people to try and sort this > out. > Maybe you've tried contacting the listmasters and they've been > unresponsive or unhelpful. Fine. But what, exactly, do you expect > me to do to "help fix the problem"? I'm a *user*. I'm not the > listmaster. Occasionally, somebody posts about a problem here that I > know something about, and can help with. Meanwhile, I ignore problem > threads in which I can't contribute anything to help fix the problem. > Since I don't administer the list, I don't have anything to > contribute to solving your problem. So *of course* I ignore the > posts. And when the posts keep on coming, *of course* I killfile the > topic. And when people make it hard to do that, *of course* I get > annoyed. Chris, I point back to what Carl said earlier about us the users. There are all levels of us out here. My comfort with Debian doesn't come from being a geek and marveling at the beauty of this system, knowing how to massage it to my idea of purring perfection in all aspects of its use. I don't know, nor care to know, every in and out of email's trappings. Mutt does those details for me. If the situation calls for that I will learn it, but not before its time. It is likely that I will forget what I did before very long, too, since I don't hack for a living. It has to do with time management and the rest of my life. I use Debian because I do my work using the apps. available here, because I don't believe in buying Gate's next silver tea spoon. And when I need it, I learn and use the wonderful configurability of the system. And that IS fun when I play. (I really appreciate the work that people put into making Debian what it is.) Why expect the same proficiency level from all people, or make it a shame when they don't possess it? Seemingly more to the original topic: FWIW, there are several reasons to post all this stuff here, whether or not people like seeing it. My own reasons mentioned in my initial post have evolved into a 3rd one--that being trying to pass information out to people BECAUSE the list admin has not responded. I don't know if my mail to that person went into a black hole or not. At least here it is public. Kenward -- In a completely rational society, the best of us would aspire to be _teachers_ and the rest of us would have to settle for something less, because passing civilization along from one generation to the next ought to be the highest honor and the highest responsibility anyone could have. - Lee Iacocca -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
