Sam Halliday said: >> Why is this different from what is happening above? If you run startx >> you're >> starting X from a login shell. > > it IS differnet. if you start from the console, you should really do > `startx &` > to detach from the console and allow you to continue working on the > console and > X; hence 2 logins. try `startx`, lock your screen, do a Ctrl-Alt-F1 and > realise > that C-c will kill the X session and give whoever is at the machine your > console > login. using startx is an arcane way of starting up X. use a login > manager.
You could do Ctrl-z and then bg to background the X session. But you're reasoning is flawed anyway. It's not two logins. You never enter credentials running X from the console. With *dm you do so it should be like a login. The whole point is that starting X from the console is no different from the exec -l $SHELL -c "$STARTUP" method I describe. It just eliminates the startx part. >> No. 1) this is an arcane hack that the average user should not have to >> put >> up with > > why? Because it's totally unnecessary for newbies to suffer through discovering how to propery setup their shell environment. Ever heard of the Principal of Least Surprise? > .xsession is there for users to set up their system. perhaps i don't > want > the login files to be sourced during my X login? what do i do then? Then create a ~/.xsession exec $STARTUP to dump the env. But I think most people do wish to normalize their shell environment so spare me the contrived examples. > come > on... > its one line! Pointer? >> 2) ~./xsession is not executed unless you choose "Default System >> Session" -- if you select "KDE" or "WindowMaker" etc the xsession.d >> scripts >> bail out before ~/.xsession is reached. > > exactly. and why should it be reached? it is up to debian to set up the > PATH for > each of these window managers, not the user. I'm confused now. You suggest using ~/.xsession to source the user's profile but if you select "KDE" from the *dm screen causing ~/.xsession to be ignored how does one setup their shell environment? > newbies generally don't use .xsession, they use the drop down window to > choose a > desktop. If you do not use ~/.xsession (and select "Default System Session") or use the technique I've described /etc/profile and the shells home directory profile will not be sourced. Is this correct in your mind? > besides, how is > > change: > /etc/X11/Xsession.d/99xfree86-common_start > to read: > exec -l $SHELL -c "$STARTUP" > > in any way less cryptic than > > add > . /etc/profile > . $HOME/.profile > (if you use a POSIX shell) to the top of your ~/.xsession file Because changing the file in the xfree86-common package works for everybody without requiring cryptic commands at all. You're method *requires* manual intervention and is specific to a certain shell which means if you change shells you may also need to change your ~/.xsession file. Also, again, ~/.xsession does not work with *dm managers. Mike -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
