In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, debian-user- [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes >Content-Type: text/plain > >debian-user-digest Digest Volume 2002 : Issue 2 > >Today's Topics: > Re: Woody and miscellaneous issues [ Osamu Aoki <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] > Re: Building distributions based upo [ Simon Law <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] > Re: viewcvs + py2html ? [ Simon Law <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] > RE: OT: mass installation on XBox [ "Josh Rehman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] > Re: SquirrelMail installation diffic [ Steve Waterman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ] > unsubscribe [ thebubster <bubba@localhost> ] > Re: Performance needed for an Intern [ "Jamin W. Collins" <jcollins@asgard ] > Re: OT: mass installation on XBox [ Klaus Imgrund <claus.imgrund@terra. ] > knoppix [ el <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ] > Re: Installing a SCSI Tape-Drive to [ Frank Gevaerts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ] > Re: VIA KT8266A + VIA VT8233A w/ AC9 [ Kent West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ] > e2fsck and fsck.ext2 [ "Brenda J. Butler" <brenda.butler@z ] > java debs, where? [ Jaye Inabnit ke6sls <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] > Re: e2fsck and fsck.ext2 [ Patrick Wiseman <pwiseman@mindsprin ] > Re: knoppix [ Bob Nielsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ] > Re: e2fsck and fsck.ext2 [ [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Proulx) ] > Re: e2fsck and fsck.ext2 [ Frank Gevaerts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ] > unsubscribe [ "Jorge A. Arrieta N." <jarrieta@ic- ] >Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 11:56:55 -0700 >From: Osamu Aoki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: Paul Lewis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: Woody and miscellaneous issues >Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >Content-Disposition: inline > >On Sat, Oct 05, 2002 at 07:36:59PM +0100, Paul Lewis wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I have just installed Woody, and I have a few issues I would >> like to resolve. The first is my first is my printer is on another >> machine, where/what is the utility on Debian that allows me to setup >> the print queues? > >If you use lpr type spoolers (lpr, lpr-ppd, lprng), edit /etc/printcap >Just point it to remote printer. For lpr-ppd, installing gnulpr package >will pull in printtool GUI configuration utility which should help you. > >I bet others will give you suggestions to use CUPS. > >> Next, on my old machine I was able to access a remote drive >> (NFS) on a redhat machine, how can I get this working again before >> upgrading to Woody I backed up my files to the server, I would like to >> get them back onto this machine. > >First > > # apt-get install nfs-kernel-server > >Set up /etc/exports. Also possibly play with /etc/hosts.allow and >/etc/hosts.deny > >> Then when I installed Woody it put the 2.2 kernel on the >> system. I had previously been running the 2.4.9 kernel. How do I >> upgrade the kernel on Woody? > >Install 2.4 kernel-image package. > # apt-get install initrd-tools > # apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.19-386 > (or -686, -686-smp, -k6, -k7, -586tsc variants) > >More of these basics in my document below. >-- >~\^o^/~~~ ~\^.^/~~~ ~\^*^/~~~ ~\^_^/~~~ ~\^+^/~~~ ~\^:^/~~~ ~\^v^/~~~ +++++ > Osamu Aoki @ Cupertino CA USA, GPG-key: A8061F32 > .''`. Debian Reference: post-installation user's guide for non-developers > : :' : http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ also http://qref.sf.net > `. `' "Our Priorities are Our Users and Free Software" --- Social Contract >Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 15:12:59 -0400 >From: Simon Law <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: Debian-User <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: Building distributions based upon Debian >Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >Content-Disposition: inline > >On Sat, Oct 05, 2002 at 06:17:13AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: >> On Sat, 2002-10-05 at 05:47, Alan Chandler wrote: >> > On Friday 04 October 2002 2:41 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> > > Thanks, >> [snip] >> > >> > I know you don't need all 7 - I just made isos of all 7 and blew them on to >> > CDs. Then went and install my system and only used the first CD (of course >I >> > am now loading new packages from the net - particularly since I then >> > dist-upgraded to unstable. >> >> Which CDs are source-only for Woody? > > Those would be the 7 CDs in the source CD distribution. The >source is not distributed with each architecture's ISOs. > >Simon >Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 15:14:04 -0400 >From: Simon Law <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: viewcvs + py2html ? >Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >Content-Disposition: inline > >On Sat, Oct 05, 2002 at 06:18:07AM -0500, Justin Ryan wrote: >> Anyone using ViewCVS with py2html to highlight syntax in python code? >> Howabout enscript? > > See bugs.debian.org for Bug#140354 and Bug#141642. > >Simon >Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 12:22:46 -0700 >From: "Josh Rehman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: RE: OT: mass installation on XBox >Message-ID: <061501c26ca4$963d20a0$6401a8c0@sumi> >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="us-ascii" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >Klaus wrote: >> That should be interesting! >> If that thing ever gets put together and M$ thinks it is illegal I >would >> love to see a court battle over that in an european court. Who in the >> hell are those people that think they can tell me I can't construct a >> marslander out of a ford taurus? Or use a piece of hardware I bought >and >> paid for to what I want it to do? This is ridiculous. > >The key here is to give the lawyers an alternative. If backed into a >corner, they will do the ridiculous thing in order to protect corporate >profits. However, I believe that if an alternative is provided, then >this move would not be taken. > >The issue is not the modification of the hardware, per se, but rather >the data that can then be pirated after the modification is made. >Therefore, the one alternative is to limit piracy. In order to do that, >strict policing of data streams is necessary. > >So that is your choice: give up freedom to modify hardware, or submit >all data moving in and out of your control to public scrutiny. Since the >former is both distasteful and fundamentally impossible to enforce, the >later is inevitable, IMHO. > >Encryption makes subjecting data to scrutiny difficult. So it is likely >that anti-encryption, anti-obfuscation laws would be passed along side >any scrutiny laws. > >Pick your poison: inability to modify the container, or have every bit >of information you generate or consume scrutinized. Personally, I think >that the former is the lesser of two evils, by far. From an enforcement >point of view, I think that corporate America would agree. (E.g. it is >much less expensive to enforce hardware modification laws than police >all data conduits). > >(I will mention the third option, which is to not worry about enforcing >data ownership at all. This policy simply will not, and cannot fly in >this economic, legal or political environment. There is a small class of >data which can still be sold in this context, namely that which the >buyer has no incentive to share, or cannot share effectively. Three >examples that come to mind are data that describes the buyer, data that >is expensive to share, and data that is time-sensitive. (Of course, the >seller never has an incentive to share)) >Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 14:20:29 -0500 >From: Steve Waterman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: Stephen Gran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: SquirrelMail installation difficulties >Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > >Just a second opinion backup Stephen Gran's. Not the prettiest, but it is >straight cgi/html output and needs a bit of tweaking. > >www.inter7.com/sqwebmail > > >On 05 October 2002 01:55 am, Stephen Gran wrote: >> This one time, at band camp, Forrest L Norvell said: >> > On Fri, Oct 04, 2002 at 11:33:43AM -0700, nate wrote: >> > > Forrest L Norvell said: >> > > > "You must be logged in to view this page" error. Thinking that I >> > > > might be >> > > >> > > I read in the PHP docs that something to do with session management >> > > was broken on powerPC: >> > > >> > > "Sessions do NOT work on hppa, m68k, mips, powerpc, sparc, s390 >> > > Sorry about that. :(" >> > > >> > > from README.Debian.gz on the php package. >> > >> > Well, that just sucks. I didn't see that in the Readme; thanks for >> > pointing it out to me. Anyone got a webmail package they like that isn't >> > dependent upon PHP sessions? Does imp work on PPC? >> > >> > Forrest >> >> steve@mercury:~$ apt-cache show sqwebmail >> Package: sqwebmail >> Priority: optional >> Section: mail >> Installed-Size: 883 >> Maintainer: Stefan Hornburg (Racke) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Architecture: i386 >> Source: courier >> Version: 0.37.3-2.1 >> Depends: libc6 (>= 2.2.4-4), libgdbmg1, exim | mail-transport-agent, >> courier-base (>= 0.37.3), courier-authdaemon (>= 0.37.3), ispell, iamerican >> | ispell-dictionary, apache | httpd, cron, expect, courier-maildrop (>= >> 0.37.3) Suggests: gnupg, courier-pcp >> Filename: pool/updates/main/c/courier/sqwebmail_0.37.3-2.1_i386.deb >> Size: 285110 >> MD5sum: 552cfb82cef0e7ae20485175a9c0fcb3 >> Description: Webmail Server >> This package contains the SqWebMail webmail server. >> This CGI is used by the Courier mail server to provide >> webmail access to local mailboxes. SqWebMail is provided >> here as a separate package that can be used with other >> mail servers as well. >> >> Works quite well for me (x86, but I assume it works on PPC, or it >> shouldn't be in stable.) No PHP, just cgi/perl. The default template >> is kind of ugly, but it shoudn't be too hard to rewrite when I get a >> little more time. >> >> HTH, >> Steve >Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 15:38:41 -0400 >From: thebubster <bubba@localhost> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: unsubscribe >Message-Id: <200210051538.41348.bubba@localhost> >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="us-ascii" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > >Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 15:01:44 -0500 >From: "Jamin W. Collins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: Debian Users <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: Performance needed for an Internet gateway >Message-ID: <20021005200144.GB4374@jamin-mini> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >Content-Disposition: inline > >On Sat, Oct 05, 2002 at 06:09:10PM +0200, Elimar Riesebieter wrote: >> On Sat, 05 Oct 2002 the mental interface of >> Balazs Javor told: >> >> > NAT / port forwarding >> > packet filtering > >This can be done quite easily with iptables. > >> > bandwidth management / trafic shaping > >You'll probably want to check out this site: > http://lartc.org/ > >in particular: > http://lartc.org/wondershaper/ > >> > some sort of secure access for my laptop through wireless network > >IPSEC or PPTP work well for this sort of thing. > >> > I was wondering what sort of processing power is needed for such a >> > computer? >> >> You can also set up an at least >> 200MHz box with ipchains and ipmasq. > >I doubt the OP would need anything remotely near a 200Mhz system. I've >done all of the above (with the single exception of traffic shaping) on >a 486SX25 with a mere 16 Megs of RAM. The system is running Debian >woody with a 2.4.18 kernel. It provides an iptables based firewall >along with PPTP and IPSEC VPN access along with SSH connectivity for >remote administration. > >-- >Jamin W. Collins >Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 17:05:46 -0300 >From: Klaus Imgrund <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: OT: mass installation on XBox >Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >On Sat, 05 Oct 2002 12:22:46 -0700 >"Josh Rehman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Klaus wrote: >> > That should be interesting! >> > If that thing ever gets put together and M$ thinks it is illegal I >> would >> > love to see a court battle over that in an european court. Who in >> > the hell are those people that think they can tell me I can't >> > construct a marslander out of a ford taurus? Or use a piece of >> > hardware I bought and >> > paid for to what I want it to do? This is ridiculous. >> >> The key here is to give the lawyers an alternative. If backed into a >> corner, they will do the ridiculous thing in order to protect >> corporate profits. However, I believe that if an alternative is >> provided, then this move would not be taken. >> >> The issue is not the modification of the hardware, per se, but rather >> the data that can then be pirated after the modification is made. >> Therefore, the one alternative is to limit piracy. In order to do >> that, strict policing of data streams is necessary. >> >> So that is your choice: give up freedom to modify hardware, or submit >> all data moving in and out of your control to public scrutiny. Since >> the former is both distasteful and fundamentally impossible to >> enforce, the later is inevitable, IMHO. >> >> Encryption makes subjecting data to scrutiny difficult. So it is >> likely that anti-encryption, anti-obfuscation laws would be passed >> along side any scrutiny laws. >> >> Pick your poison: inability to modify the container, or have every bit >> of information you generate or consume scrutinized. Personally, I >> think that the former is the lesser of two evils, by far. From an >> enforcement point of view, I think that corporate America would agree. >> (E.g. it is much less expensive to enforce hardware modification laws >> than police all data conduits). >> >> (I will mention the third option, which is to not worry about >> enforcing data ownership at all. This policy simply will not, and >> cannot fly in this economic, legal or political environment. There is >> a small class of data which can still be sold in this context, namely >> that which the buyer has no incentive to share, or cannot share >> effectively. Three examples that come to mind are data that describes >> the buyer, data that is expensive to share, and data that is >> time-sensitive. (Of course, the seller never has an incentive to >> share)) >> >Good points, > >the only problem I have with that whole stuff is that the industry >should play with open cards here. If you buy a piece of hardware and you >are not allowed to tailor it to your needs you don't really own it in >the classical sense of ownership. For example with the xbox they should >then give you a leasing contract and be done with it. This would be a >completely honest solution so that even the dumbest customer out there >can understand what he is in for. Of course that would put a little dent >in the cash flow generated by the product and cause even heavier losses. >So basically the industry gets it both ways.They 'sell' a product that >you don't really own and get the money. I don't care what is in the law >books about this issues - that's how I feel about it.I think it is fraud >and no stinkin' law can change that. > >Prost, > >Klaus >Date: Sat, 05 Oct 2002 22:36:57 +0200 >From: el <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: knoppix >Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >does anybody here know of a downloadable, STABLE version of knoppix? > >i searched all resources i could think of. >the knoppix-forum (http://www.linuxtag.org/forum/) is not reachable. >all i found were beta-versions, switching from > >? >05/02 = vers. 2.1b >to >08/02 = vers. 3.1b >10/02 = " " > >for my rescue tasks i could really need a stable version, >if available ... > >thanks >Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 22:41:25 +0200 >From: Frank Gevaerts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: Doug MacFarlane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: Installing a SCSI Tape-Drive to an Existing Woody System >Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >Content-Disposition: inline > >On Sat, Oct 05, 2002 at 06:18:19PM +0000, Doug MacFarlane wrote: >> >> Team: >> >> I installed an HP DDS-4 SCSI tape-drive to my existing Woody system. Upon >> the reboot, the startup messages showed that it was detected, but I guess >> the base install doesn't include support for it because: >> >> boulion:/cdrom# tar cvf /dev/st0 /home >> tar: Removing leading `/' from member names >> home/ >> home/lost+found/ >> home/madmac/ >> home/madmac/.bashrc >> home/madmac/.bash_profile >> home/madmac/.xsession-errors >> tar: /dev/st0: Wrote only 0 of 10240 bytes >> tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now >> boulion:/cdrom# >> >> So I assume I need to install a module for this. My questions: > >I think that is not the problem. If I try this on a machine without a >tapedrive, I get a 'no such device' error. >What does 'mt -f /dev/st0 status' report ? > >Maybe you should try 'mt -f /dev/st0 setblk 10240' before the tar >command (the default tar blocksize is 10240 bytes) > >> 1. How do I find out what modules support what devices? >> >> 2. Where are the instructions for adding/installing a module? >> >> All the stuff I found via google and linuxhelp.org was centered around what >> to do when installing linux, or using kudzu with Red Hat . . . >> >> TIA >> >> mamdac >> >> -- >> Doug MacFarlane >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> >> -- >> To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Date: Sat, 05 Oct 2002 16:03:50 -0500 >From: Kent West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: VIA KT8266A + VIA VT8233A w/ AC97 sound >Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >Alan Chandler wrote: > >>On Wednesday 02 October 2002 11:04 am, Robert Ian Smit wrote: >> >> >>>* D. Nathan Cookson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [02-10-2002 07:20]: >>> >>> >>>>1 - Does anybody know from definitive experience the status of support >>>>for the Via VT8233A southbridge in Debian kernels? >>>> >>>> >>>Compile a 2.4.19 kernel of your own. I had to do it bacause of a new >>>motherboard, was scared, but can recommend it. The reference manual, >>>chapter 7, has all the details. Getting .config right might be >>>tricky, so if you need more help on that, ask. >>> >>> >>> >> >>I am quite puzzled why a lot of people seem to think they need to compile >>their own kernels rather than use the debian standard ones. Debian kernels >>have nearly everything compiled as a module - so provided you get the modules >>loaded everything works - and you don't need to keep rebooting either >> >> >> >Because: > > 1) A lot of the documentation out there says to recompile the kernel >in order to get X piece of hardware working, etc, so we dutifully follow >the FM so we won't get flamed for not RTFM (in other words, >documentation for Debian (Linux in general) is still spotty/immature), > >and > > 2) When we try to install a new kernel using dselect, etc, we're >warned that this is the "initrd" version and that we need to make sure >we have done some prior step before using this kernel (or something >similar) which actually sounds scarier than recompiling a kernel to some >(in other words, documentation for Debian (Linux in general) is still >spotty/immature). > > >In other words, "people seem to think they need to compile their own >kernels rather than use the debian standard ones" for the simple reason >that they don't know any better, and even if the correct information is >"out there", it's mixed in with a lot of old, out-dated, >other-distro-oriented, and simply wrong, info. There's not a whole lot >that anyone can do about it; the developers are too busy writing code to >write documentation for newbies, and the middle-grounders who could >write the documentation don't have the understanding of the code to >write authoritative documentation, and even if they do write it, the >code changes so quickly in the Free Software world that that >documenation quickly becomes dated. > >Ideally, every package would have three persons/groups assigned to it: >one to write the code, one to package it for Debian, and one to write >very clear , multiply-expressed, example-filled, Debian-oriented >documentation. But in a Bazaar (sp?) paradigm, that ain't likely to >happen. And that's okay; that's the world we choose to live in when we >came over to the Forces of Goodness :-) > >And of course, I could be totally wrong. But that's why I've always >compiled my own kernels. I started out because the documentation I was >reading indicated that I needed to. Then later, when I decided to go >with a stock Debian kernel, I got that warning something about the >kernel being an initrd version (which could simply be the result of me >being too ignorant to pick the correct stock Debian kernel, etc), so I >figured I better stick with what I know works, which was compilation. So >the two reasons given above actually boil down to one: ignorance on the >part of the user. (Bummer, I seem to have just proven that I'm ignorant >. . . . ) Until users stop being ignorant, they'll (we'll) keep >sometimes making the less-than-best choices. > >Kent >Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 17:05:55 -0400 >From: "Brenda J. Butler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: e2fsck and fsck.ext2 >Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >What is the difference between e2fsck and fsck.ext2? >I'm about to try (one of) them without a net... > >I didn't see any comparisons when I Googled, except >maybe e2fsck can handle the situation where you have >to specify an alternate superblock and (perhaps) >fsck.ext2 can't. > >Please copy me at this address on the reply. My >subscribed email account is also broken :-( > >-- >bjb >brenda dot butler at zarlink dot com >Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 14:06:24 -0700 >From: Jaye Inabnit ke6sls <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: debian help <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: java debs, where? >Message-Id: <20021005211012.RUJE12156.fed1mtao03.cox.net@there> >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > >Hash: SHA1 > >deb ftp://ftp.tux.org/pub/java/debian woody non-free > >Hello: > >I have been getting errors from this server for the last week or so. Each >time I attempt an update, the server reports that it is full. Is there >alternate site for these debs? > >tia >-- > >Jaye Inabnit\ARS ke6sls\/A GNU-Debian linux user\/ http://www.qsl.net/ke6sls >If it's stupid, but works, it ain't stupid. I SHOUT JUST FOR FUN. >Free software, in a free world, for a free spirit. Please Support freedom! > >Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 17:16:53 -0400 (EDT) >From: Patrick Wiseman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "Brenda J. Butler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: e2fsck and fsck.ext2 >Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0210051714130.2220-100000@watson> >Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > >On Sat, 5 Oct 2002 at 5:05pm, Brenda J. Butler wrote: > >:What is the difference between e2fsck and fsck.ext2? >:I'm about to try (one of) them without a net... > >I think they're the same thing, linked: > >watson:/home/pwiseman# ls -l /sbin/e2fsck >-rwxr-xr-x 2 root root 101224 Mar 21 2002 /sbin/e2fsck >watson:/home/pwiseman# which fsck.ext2 >/sbin/fsck.ext2 >watson:/home/pwiseman# ls -l /sbin/fsck.ext2 >-rwxr-xr-x 2 root root 101224 Mar 21 2002 /sbin/fsck.ext2 > >And 'man fsck.ext2' brings up the e2fsck man page. > >Patrick >
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