On jueves, 24 de agosto de 2017 18:29:03 -03 Eric Valette wrote: > On 24/08/2017 16:44, Lisandro Damián Nicanor Pérez Meyer wrote: > > The sole fact that you wrote this make it clear that you don't understand > > how transitions works and what they are for. Stuff was available in > > experimental but KDE stuff didn't actually needed to be compiled against > > experimental's Qt. > But some kde package were obviously because upgrading qt5.9.1 in > experimental was pulling only kde 5.28 stuff while unstable did not have > it due to dependencies while other did not recompile making kde in > experimental rather broken for months...
Nothing in experimental is expected to work without issues. That's why we stage the packages there. > > And let's not forget that in the meantime we ended preparing the packages > > in experimental and got the slot for the transition both gcc and cmake > > changed bringing up new bugs. > > Granted. [snip] > As a end user (but with years and years of debian useage (>20)), I think > I'm still entitled to tell you : Sorry if it sounds harsh, but no, you are not entitled to do so. The sole fact that you don't understand the whole transition thing and you still complain is a key indicator. > 1) Potentially breaking one of the main graphical interfaces for weeks > via a dist-upgrade is painful especially when default installed kde > package manager actual settings do a dist-upgrade equivalent that > removes most kde stuff. BTW I'm not impacted but my list of hold > package keeps growing. Ok we are few months after a stable release so > that's less important because less user need unstable... Again, another reason that confirms what I wrote above. It's called unstable for a reason, users using unstable are expected to find this issues and be able to cope with them reporting *real* bugs. If you don't expect to see this then switch to testing. > 2) kde environment as a whole being maybe the most demanding qt test > bench applications, it may had been useful to check hat kde is running > fine *before* transitioning : reading FTBS bug opened, it appears that > some essential kde package indeed have never been compiled with qt 5.9.1 > (and current cmake but that's another story as it was done in //). Again, false. We did rebuild the key packages related to the transition. That's actually one of the reasons it took us that much time before uploading packages and asking for the transition slot. [snip] > > Again please refrain to make this comments in the future. > > I'm afraid I may continue because you've been too good before with very > smooths transitions because they were tested via experimental by several > people like me before landing unstable... And again: no, you are not right. We have been able to do faster transitions because not that many stuff changed in the middle. > I do appreciate a lot your work, take this critic as an hint to do even > better next time :-) I'm sorry eric, but the only thing you are generating from all this is us wasting time with this unnecesarily. If you don't like it *please* do switch to testing or refrain to complain due to this kind of issues in unstable. -- Confucius say: He who play in root, eventually kill tree. Lisandro Damián Nicanor Pérez Meyer http://perezmeyer.com.ar/ http://perezmeyer.blogspot.com/
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