On 30/04/17 00:41:17 CEST, Matthias Klumpp wrote: > PackageKit aleady updates the cache periodically
By default? I have different machines with Stretch and the default kde installation, there was no evidence ever that that happened automatically. I always had to to check for updates manually in plasma-discover. Of course, I was able to set the automatic update via s-p-kde but it wasn't set by default. > there is no point in having another tool trying to do the same in the > background. The only thing that this might end in is two things fighting over > the APT database lock in the background, which is undesired. My suggestion was in fact to recommend apt-config-auto-update *instead of* s-p-kde. About this point, what should be the default mechanism in Debian to update the cache and/or enable automatic updates? Something related to APT or PackageKit only? The manuals still suggest to use and configure apt to do that (mentioning apticron, apt-config-auto-update and unattend-upgrades for the convenience of the users). And by the way, s-p-kde does exactly that by (also?) writing the file /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/10periodic. This is why I don't understand why the two packages cannot be interchangeable. > > What benefits if I may ask? The sources.list can be edited already in > > plasma-discover without s-p-kde, > > You can only remove sources, you can't add or edit them You're right. But I just tried to edit my sources with s-p-kde. It crashes when adding new sources and it automatically enables them and adds a commented deb-src line. I had to manually check for errors my sources.list anyway. Also, the interface is misleading due to bug 443643 [1] (a bug of 10 years ago). In this way it is still better to edit the sources.list with a text editor. > or look at which GPG keys ou have installed for them on your system I don't know if you're talking about the same functionality provided by apt-key, but s-p-kde simply displays nothing under "Trusted software providers", while apt-key shows correctly all the keys. > You can also not enable/disable backports or updates via a simple click. Maybe yes but still the interface is misleading due to bug 721662 [2]. > > and what remains is the possibility to choose if > > automatically install security updates (but I suppose unattended-upgrades > > does exactly that) or download all the updates in background or just > > notify about it. > > These are exactly the features that might be broken, as they rely on > other tools and s-p-kde doesn't interface well with PackageKit. > Everything else works. Well, because of the issues above, I'm not convinced of the benefits of this package. Right now I still think that the updates can be managed better by editing the proper files in /etc/apt/ and that the usage of apt-config-auto- update and unattended-upgrades provides a better setting for the average user. Thank you for the useful clarifications and for your time. Regards Francesco [1] https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=443643 [2] https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=721662
