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after I had almost finished this reply, I figured out how stupid I have been and I already say sorry for this. (Tut mir echt Leid.) I still have a question concerning this topic, so if you are in a hurry and do not want to read my excuses and what I did wrong, just jump right to the end. I think the main fault was, that I did not reload the document. Not seeing any difference, I was confused why I should replace Nimbus Sans L by Helvetica and not the other way round. So I also added to replace Helvetica by Nimbus Sans L. After restarting OOo, that setting made all useless (something like a loop) and nothing had changed. Writing this response, I tried it again and I figured it out. Now follow my tests, which worked this time. Am Samstag, den 11.11.2006, 23:28 +0100 schrieb Joo Martin: > ---- > Am Sat, 11 Nov 2006 12:33:36 +0100 schrieb > Paul Menzel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > I tried your instructions, but unfortunately the document set with > > Helvetica font and then Nimbus Sans L is still to large (before it > > covered one page, now also a bit of a second one). > > Please make following tests and controlling above PDF: > a) Helvetica in document => export as PDF => test fonts with pdffonts > => in my OOo2 I have the font "NimbusSansL-Regu" in the PDF $ ls -l test.odt -rw-r--r-- 1 name name 74705 2006-11-12 13:48 test.odt -rw-r--r-- 1 name name 221987 2006-11-12 13:54 test.pdf $ pdffonts neubew-mit-Passfoto.pdf name type emb sub uni object ID ------------------------------------ ------------ --- --- --- --------- NimbusSanL-Bold Type 1 yes no yes 21 0 NimbusSanL-Bold Type 1 yes no yes 24 0 NimbusSanL-Regu Type 1 yes no yes 13 0 NimbusSanL-Regu Type 1 yes no yes 16 0 (Ok, some more informations: When I open the document in oowriter the font selector list (Schriftart) shows "Helvetica". Marking some text and changing the font to Nimbus Sans L does not change anything.) > b) Define "substition table" as written in my email before > c) Helvetica in document => export as PDF => test fonts with pdffonts > => in my OOo2 I have the font "Helvetica" in the PDF $ ls -l test2.pdf -rw-r--r-- 1 name name 18923 2006-11-12 14:27 test2.pdf $ pdffonts test2.pdf name type emb sub uni object ID ------------------------------------ ------------ --- --- --- --------- Helvetica-Bold Type 1 no no no 9 0 Helvetica Type 1 no no no 10 0 Great, sorry for not testing this before. > What do you will say with "Nimbus Sans L is still to large" ? Ok, I compared a print-out from half a year ago. There everything fits on one page. Now my father said, he did not change anything in the document and opened it some weeks ago. Now the end of the text is on a second page. I compared those two and it looks like the "line spacing" (Zeilenabstand) is bigger than before. It is set to 0 in the paragraph option (Absatz) menu. That is the reason it is needing more room. Figuring out the one above, it looks like that, if no font substitutions are set up, the line spacing seems to be bigger. Maybe this should be a separate bug report? > > Maybe here are some more informations: > > > > In contrast to the original post, the fonts Times New Roman is shown > > (also the msttcorefonts and Courier). So > > > > 1. Could you please check if those fonts are also available to you? > > Yes, I have installed all Windows-98 fonts > > > > Typing xlsfonts on the console and grepping for helvet or times, the > > fonts are shown. For example: > > > > -adobe-helvetica-medium-o-normal--20-140-100-100-p-98-iso8859-1 > > or > > -adobe-times-medium-i-normal--14-140-75-75-p-73-iso8859-1 > > > > 2. Is that also true in your setup? > Yes, I have this fonts too, but they will generated with an alias-file > inside the fonts-path. > > > Now another info for your special wish: You CAN use helvetica fonts, it > doesn't matter, wether you can see the font in the font-selector-list. > You could make helvetica fonts visible in the list (only for writer!), > but it's a little bit tricky and have no relevance / advantage, because > you need again the fonts-substitution as written in my first email. Ok, here are my questions for this problem. (If for some answers there exists documentation on the net, please point me to it, since I do not want to waste your time any further.) 1. a) Why is for example Times New Roman shown and Helvetica is not? b) Why is OOo.org unable to display Helvetica correctly and needs substitution? 2. Why does Helvetica show up in other programs font selector list (for example The GIMP)? 3. Why is it available again, when you export it to PDF? 4. Do you know if this is the same case under M$ Windows? 5. Is Nimbus Sans L available under M$ Office? 6. Where can I figure out how OOo is substituting fonts? 7. As in the middle, why is there a bigger line spacing, when no font substitutions are set up? Maybe a summary of those answers could be included in REAMDE.Debian . > Ciao, Joo > (Germany) Thanks a lot again and sorry for my mistake. Paul
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