On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 05:32:03PM +0100, Chris Halls wrote:
> I'm setting this to important since it is obviously affecting a number
> of users.
Thank you.
> > Can we have the old behavior back?
>
> Come on, we don't break it on purpose.
No one said you did. But it's obviously become
desktop-environment-specific in some manner now.
> We are trying very hard to make OOo be a good citizen and use central
> font configuration instead of requiring an application specific
> workaround, which is all spadmin is.
Well, those of us who aren't using KDE or Gnome don't necessarily HAVE
"central font configuration". I want no part of KDE here, and I've done
everything I can to short out gconf here for the few Gnome applications I
use. No "settings daemon", no nothing.
It's unfortunate that so many GTK2 applications magically inherit Gnome
dependencies (not that this is your problem). I may have to have gconf
installed, but that doesn't mean I have to let it do anything. Not
allowing it a writeable information store takes care of that.
> You are using *unstable*,
That was uncalled for. I know what using unstable entails.
> and I did put up a test library for anyone to try out a few weeks before
> this was uploaded. You had your chance then, now you'll have to wait
> until the next upload.
Except that I, like many other people, DIDN'T HAVE A PROBLEM until this
upload. No itty-bitty fonts in the help viewer, no miniscule menu fonts in
the main application. I ran it with the scale set to 105% because I liked
it a little bigger than the default was, and that was all.
I can't speak for anyone else, but I had no reason whatsoever to try a
"test library", as the application behavior was entirely as expected. I
was congratulating myself at not being subject to something that looked
KDE/Gnome specific (yet another reason NOT to use the overblown useless
environments... that was the perception here).
You will note that, as far as I can tell, the only people complaining in
the previous long bug thread were using one of the two DE's.
> We do not have enough spare time and resources to fix every problem in
> advance and need a certain amount of help from the user community.
Gee, I thought that was what bug reports were all about. My mistake. I'm
not a programmer, so I try to participate where I can.
> If you don't like helping to test OOo out and help make it even better,
> please downgrade and wait for this to get sorted out.
I haven't decided yet if I want to downgrade or if it's worth riding the
roller coaster until it gets sorted out. Right now, with the scale set all
the way down to 75%, it's at least usable. On the one hand, I want to
help, on the other hand, apparently the only thing the packaging team cares
about is whether you run KDE, or you run Gnome.
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