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From: Helge Hafting <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: openoffice.org: Extremely annoying question about "saving changes"
when OO
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Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 10:35:40 +0200
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Package: openoffice.org
Version: 1.1.3-8
Severity: important
Openoffice has aquired a nasty habit of periodically asking
if I want to save changes. That really disturbs the way I usually
work with openoffice. I use openoffice mostly as a document
reader, to read openoffice/staroffice/word documents while composing
a reply in my email reader.
Openoffice mistakenly believes I make "changes", either because it
is flat out _wrong_ (I didn't do a thing) or sometimes because
I typed a handful of letters into an OO window by mistake when OO
grabbed focus as I was writing in another window.
Either way, I read some text in OO and turns my attention to the
email program (thunderbird) to wrrite a few paragraphs of replies.
While I type in thunderbird, OO suddenly jumps to the foreground
and pops up an autosave question. This is _extremely_ annoying,
I wasn't even using OO at the moment. OO did not do this to me before,
so it is a regression too. The "important" status of this report is
deserved, this behaviour is really work-wrecking and disrupts
work with all other apps.
It looks like this popup is fired by a timer, long after changes
were made or misdetected. (Copying text from OO does _not_ change
the document, resizing tOO so it fits beside another app is _not_
change, moving the cursor around is _not_ change . . .)
OO competes with ms-office to some extent - please don't think that
the open sopurce world need all the same _nuisances_ ms users
have in addition to similiar functionality.
Suggestions for improvement:
============================
Best alternative
Remove that popup completely. Popups is _really_ bad user interface,
because they force the user to react then and there. OO has a
status line at the bottom, just tell that an autosave was done there.
Or donĂ't even tell, just do it. (Well, don't save into the
main file if the user don't ask for that - save to some
autosave file. Look at the editor Lyx, it gets autosaving right.
If the popup absolutely _have_ to remain:
I can't see why - but if OO designers insist on keeping it:
* make sure it _never ever_ pops up while OO doesn't have
keyboard focus. Because OO is then interfering badly with
another app. OO should only ever pop things up while
having focus.
* The popup should preferably _not_ grab focus and _not_ raise
the openoffice window. That would make the popup a lot less
annoying.
Helge Hafting
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Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 14:33:48 +0200
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Hi,
Alexandre wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 21, 2005 at 10:35:40AM +0200, Helge Hafting wrote:
> > Openoffice has aquired a nasty habit of periodically asking
> > if I want to save changes.
>
> You can teach OpenOffice not to ask you, or not to autosave altogether.
>
> (Assuming an English language locale)
>
> Go to the Tools menu, select Options. In the configuration dialog,
> expand Load/Save in the tree on the left, and click on General. From
> there you can uncheck the "Autosave every" box, or just the "Prompt to
> save" box.
Right. This is no bug. Yes, we enabled the autosave feature and for
safeness I enabled the messages too. Just disable it.
-> No bug -> close.
Regards,
Rene
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