On 2025-05-16 Nicholas D Steeves <s...@debian.org> wrote: > Soren Stoutner <so...@debian.org> writes:
>> On Thursday, May 15, 2025 3:56:50 PM Mountain Standard Time Nicholas D >> Steeves >> wrote: >>> "adjusting" the epoch also requires discussion, and consensus, on -devel >> As far as I know, nobody is proposing adding or adjusting any epochs. >> All of these binary packages are going to end up with the same epochs >> they already have. > Do you disagree with the following?: You're creating two new source > packages that have to pass the NEW queue, you're adding epochs to them, > and your rationale appears to be thus: Because the old multiple-upstream > source package has an epoch, therefore both NEW source packages should > have an epoch. > There's nothing in dsdt-policy about source package naming. > Yes, the NEW binary packages need to provide a greater version than the > old ones, because otherwise upgrades won't occur; No one is saying they > don't need to. [...] >> As much as I would like to get rid of the epochs, I don’t see any way to do >> so. > Here's how: Use accurate upstream versions in two NEW source packages. > Their binary packages gain versioned Provides [and Breaks and Replaces, > if appropriate]. In two Debian releases (forky+1), you can you drop the > Breaks, Replaces, and Provides. Thus, packages without epochs replace > the packages with epochs, and a pox on the archive is removed. [...] You seem to propose: status quo: foo-binary: 2:1.2.3-1 trixie: foo-binary: 1.2.4-1/Provides: foo-binary (=2:1.2.4-1) forky: foo-binary: 1.2.4-1/Provides: foo-binary (=2:1.2.4-1) forky+1: foo-binary: 1.2.4-1 without provides That is too fragile, it will break (by downgrading) on an old entry in sources list or a local repo. More generally I also do not think the net-win justifies the work and risk. epochs are not aestically pleasing but we are used to dealing with them. I think the huge win of Stouter's plan is to get rid of different versions for source and binary packages, that is something we rarely do (compared to epochs). cu Andreas -- `What a good friend you are to him, Dr. Maturin. His other friends are so grateful to you.' `I sew his ears on from time to time, sure'
