"Andrew M.A. Cater" <amaca...@einval.com> writes: > On Sun, Mar 09, 2025 at 03:58:59PM +0100, Simon Josefsson wrote: >> >> Agreed. However none of that hardware require me to load non-free >> firmware from my operating system, which is my point. That situation is >> sufficient for me to accept to use the hardware and install an operating >> system built without non-free software on it. >> > > Simon, > > Installing using the Debian installer doesn't *require* you to carry on > with the firmware. You can readily remove it - especially if you use the > expert install - you are not required to enable the repository in your > /etc/apt/sources.list and so on. The installer does list the firmware > suggested for install to enable all devices - you don't have to take > that suggestion. > > So - if you don't *see* the need for firmware expressed and firmware is > already in the machine you install on, that's fine?
While this may be fine to you it is not fine to me, and it is fine to disagree on that. We've had this argument before, and I don't think either us will change opinion. The situation you describe is one motivation for efforts like linux-libre, Trisquel and Guix, and the other FSDG-compliant distributions. My hope is that the sentiments towards fully free installer images will change in the Debian project and that they eventually may be official again. I believe the supply-chain concerns with non-free firmware will trigger this happen, but it seems we are not there yet. /Simon
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