On Sun, 11 Jun 2023 at 22:17, Timo Röhling <roehl...@debian.org> wrote: > > * Luca Boccassi <bl...@debian.org> [2023-06-10 19:54]: > >I would caution to avoid interpreting clarifying questions being asked > >as dissent. It's good to ask questions and clarify details about > >corner cases, but I wouldn't automatically write them down as > >disagreement. At least that's my reading of recent parts of this > >thread. > > This is also my understanding. And for the record, I want to > emphasize that I am very much in favor of the plan that Helmut came > up with, for a number of reasons: > > [Full disclosure: I had a few in-person discussions with Helmut in > Hamburg last month, so I am probably somewhat biased by now.] > > > 1. Helmut has shown experimentally that his transition plan can > work. There are always unknown unknowns, of course, but at the very > least, we do not have to break any use-cases intentionally. > > 2. The transition will leave us in a well-defined state post-trixie > without the need to add (and continue to maintain) any clutches > (or "special cases") for dpkg. > > 3. Almost all problematic cases can be dealt with by some black > magic in a single usrmerge-support package. It is not pretty, but it > will get the job done; a bunch of trickery to make dpkg do the Right > Thing despite its incomplete knowledge of aliased paths. > > 4. We will be able detect the few cases where the Right Thing does > not happen transparently, and we can even give advance warning to > affected package maintainers what they should and should not do. If > the maintainers of those packages pre-upload their transitioned > packages to experimental for some automated tests and verification, > we can avoid any breakage in unstable and testing. > > > Of course, you do not have to take my word for any of this. I am a > big fan of Helmut's approach with experimental verification and > data-driven discovery. Have a look at his published test scripts and > try to poke holes in them. The more people do this, the more > confidence we can have that this might actually work after all.
Hi Helmut, Any update on this topic? I believe you were working on a write-up, how's that going? Kind regards, Luca Boccassi
