Quoting Andreas Tille (2019-05-27 06:29:05) > On Sun, May 26, 2019 at 07:28:55PM +0200, Vincent Bernat wrote: > > > We "uphold this reputation" by maintaining many packages, which is > > > good. > > > > Do we? I am now using nix to get packages for stuff not in Debian. > > Our package count is artificially inflated by *-perl packages, > > golang-* packages which may not be present in some other > > distributions. But for some ecosystems, we are severely behind. We > > may argue we are better on some metrics, but this has nothing to do > > with the fact we have so many ways to build a package. > > Some Debian Med people are concerned about the droping usage of Debian > Med packages since people prefer BioConda[1] over it. There is even a > scientific paper (I've only seen a printed version not online yet) who > compares ways to package biology software. We are way better than > other distributions - but we are lagging begind BioConda a lot. We > have some upstreams who are doing Debian packaging by the help of the > Debian Med team but that's just a minor fraction. Lots of BioConda > packages are maintained by Upstream since they consider it easy. > > In short: Our "reputation" is scaring people away to favour other > techniques.
We agree that some get scared away from Debian. Question is why. Like rpm, Debian arguably has a single unified _core_ structure: debian/rules must be a make file. hat Sam, me, and Vincent disagree on in this subthread is is lack of a unified _framework_ like short-form dh sequencer being mandatory is what scares people off. Does that paper you talk about point to _causes_ Debian packaging being more scary? Is it a) complexities related to hardening, cross-building, bootstrapping etc. or b) lack of a single¹ unified build framework, or c) that Debian is "different" in package naming and code availability than other system package managers or or misc. language-specific package managers, or d) something else than what you snipped from the beginning of this subthread? - Jonas -- * Jonas Smedegaard - idealist & Internet-arkitekt * Tlf.: +45 40843136 Website: http://dr.jones.dk/ [x] quote me freely [ ] ask before reusing [ ] keep private
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