On Sat, 2018-12-22 at 21:03:18 +0100, Andreas Henriksson wrote:
> (Not sure debian-devel is the right place for this discussion, but
> oh well...)
Yeah, this should probably have been brought up on debian-project,
if at all…
> On Sat, Dec 22, 2018 at 08:32:07PM +0100, Guillem Jover wrote:
> > On Sat, 2018-12-22 at 10:11:53 -0800, Josh Triplett wrote:
> [...]
> > I think the summary mischaracterizes the situation a bit TBH.
> [...]
> > > - Dmitry refused to cancel the NMU, which then went into the archive.
> >
> > Dimitry refused to cancel the NMU *himself*.
> [...]
> He also said the maintainers had to get the CTTE to overrule
> his decision if they did not want to accept his NMU.....
Not quite. Here are the relevant quotes:
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[2018-11-28 18:48] Dmitry Bogatov <kact...@debian.org>
> I am worried: freeze is coming, and nothing is happening. I am not going
> to miss another release.
Hereby I inform you, that I uploaded NMU into DELAYED/15. Feel free to
cancel it, providing rationale why it is not "reasonable".
Quoting from TC (#746715):
[... ] That includes merging reasonable contributions, and not
reverting existing support without a compelling reason. [...]
`---
and later on:
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[2018-12-17 12:56] Michael Biebl <bi...@debian.org>
> It's clear that you are unhappy with the situation, so am I.
> Maybe we should involve the CTTE and have them work out and define the
> criteria and interfaces an alternative /sbin/init needs to provide and
> what behaviour can be expected or not (and have an automated test suite
> which tests all this).
Sure. I will write draft summary of disagreement in a week or so into
this bug.
But until and unless CTTE overrules my decision, `runit-init' will be
installable without uninstalling essential packages, either as
pre-dependency of bin:init or as package, that provides `init'.
`---
So I clearly read there:
1. The maintainers can cancel the NMU (as is their right really),
and provide a rationale.
2. If 1. happens (and I understand, unless a compelling reason is put
forward), he is stating that unless overruled he'll go forward with
the plan to add runit support even if that implies adding a
«Provides: init» on one of the runit packages.
> (which apart from refusing to listen to very qualified developers with
> decades of experience also IMO suggests he has gotten the constitution
> completely backwards.)
So, I've stated earlier, I think the NMU was probably socially rude,
and something I'd not consider doing. Procedurally? I guess it was
OKish, but I guess that's a consequence we get when people involved
the ctte to muddle the social and procedural fabric of the project…
We are also talking about a change that affects only people who might
want to use runit as their init system. Compare that with, I don't
know, the merged-/usr deployment hack, which is the new irreversible
default, and which breaks stuff, and where people have been warning
about for a long time…
> I have only seen a limited amount of Dmitrys work, but my impression
> is that he's not someone who should be trusted with unrestricted
> uploading privileges. I think fast-tracking him through NM was
> a mistake and would suggest he should take the full tour.
Oh, wow…
Regards,
Guillem
