On Fri, 17 Aug 2018, Thomas Goirand wrote: > On 08/17/2018 10:52 AM, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote: > > On Fri, Aug 17, 2018 at 08:27:00AM +0000, Ulrike Uhlig wrote: > >> While I understand the simplicity of using $company's cloud storage, I'd > >> rather not rely on some external company and in particular not on this > >> one. This company does not exactly represent what I would call ethical, > >> non-proprietary, and decentralized. > > Is that a problem? > > > >> Are there no partners that would kindly provide such storage to Debian > >> (Gandi?). > > Are they ethical, non-proprietary, and decentralized? > > To me, none of the above. > > On 08/17/2018 11:30 AM, Yao Wei wrote: > > Still, it is up to their implementation how we can access their > > storage, and as long as we can access it with free software > > (JavaScript stuff could be a pitfall though) it shouldn't be too much > > problem for us. > > I very much do not agree with this. The full software stack used by the > provider *MUST* be free as well. I have made a full talk at Debconf > explaining why it is important, I would appreciate if you could have a > look to the video. > > On 08/17/2018 03:46 PM, Ulrike Uhlig wrote: > > I feel like we're currently balancing on a thin cobweb of fait > > accompli. > > I very much agree with this, and I kind of feel we're all gamed into > using Salsa, and then it moves to using non-free solutions. And I'm not > even going back to the previous thread where Alexander wrote he would > *never* switch to a packaged solution. That one as well, is an > unilateral decision. > > > Should we make it known and visible to people who use Salsa that some > > of their data might be stored at a 3rd party company? Is this a > > consent issue? > > It's more than this, unfortunately. After we've all been invited to > migrate to Salsa, and all spent time on it, now it's partly non-free. If > I knew it would go this way, it's possible that I would have chosen > another place to host my Debian work. Possibly self-hosting it. > > On 08/17/2018 03:46 PM, Ulrike Uhlig wrote: > > Have Salsa maintainers enabled the least invasive privacy features for > > this service? > > Do you really trust this? I don't... > > Also, have we ever thought that Google is completely banned in China? > Can users in China access the data? If it's direct access to things > hosted by Google, then the answer is probably that it's also blocked. > > On 08/17/2018 03:49 PM, Alexander Wirt wrote: > > why should gandi be better? Do you have access to all of their source > > code (managementfrontend, storagebackend, billingbackend and so on?) > > > > Unless debian is doing the whole thing on its own, we are out of luck. > > > > Alex > > As I mentioned in my talk at Debconf18, there's 18 listed public cloud > providers using OpenStack here: > > https://www.openstack.org/marketplace/public-clouds/ > > OVH, CloudWatt, Rackspace, Vexxhost, and also probably the company I > work for (Infomaniak) are potential candidates for sponsoring storage, > and all of them are using free-software hosting platforms. > > I also don't understand why we're not attempting to build a Ceph cluster > at UBC. Why not? go ahead. if it works well we can switch to it.
Alex P.S. I will not react to the other nonsense in that mail.
