Lumin: > [..] > > My core concern is: > > Even if upstream releases their pretrained model under GPL license, > the freedom to modify, research, reproduce the neural networks, > especially "very deep" neural networks is de facto controled by > PROPRIETARIES. > > [..] I think in general when one raise concerns, one should do some research to make it relevant to the actual real situation. Your mail cited my leela-zero package but contained no information specific to it. I'll supply the missing gaps:
The Debian package leela-zero contains no "pretrained model", or "weights file" in its terminology. Leela Zero contains a program (autogtp) that generates and uploads raw game data, based on some weights you give it. Data generated by many volunteers is collected together and is available here [1] released into the public domain [2]. There's more than 1TB of it. The code to "compile"/"train" this raw data into a weights file is in training/* and contains code for several different frameworks including tensorflow (Debian package in-progress at [3]). The nice thing is that you can give it raw data, it will generate weights *periodically* so you can pause the training and give the weights to someone else, who can perhaps supply more data and run a different training algorithm on a different deep-learning platform. AFAICT that's how the currently-recommended weights [4] have been trained, by the efforts of many different people for the past year or so. For context, it is 110MB uncompressed and it's just a very big matrix of floating-point numbers in ASCII format. So the source code for everything is in fact FOSS, it's just the fact that the compilation/"training" process can't be run by individuals or small non-profit orgs easily. For the purposes of DFSG packaging everything's fine, we don't distribute any weights as part of Debian, and upstream does not distribute that as part of the FOSS software either. This is not ideal but is the best we can do for now. There are various ways to improve this situation, and none of them involve philosphical discussions on a mailing list about what is or isn't code or execution or proprietary whatever. The concepts are really very clear, we know what the "source code" equivalent is (raw data plus training algorithms), all of it is openly-licensed in the case of Leela Zero, and the problem is simply that we can't perform the execution transparently as part of FOSS infrastructure. Two approaches are: (1) get the hardware or (2) invent a method to verify the results, probably using magical crypto to generate a proof-of-execution that can be easily verified and then have deep-learning platforms do this. I'm pretty some there's some early-stage research on (2) as part of the recent hype around blockchains but I don't know what the specific progress is, someone can dig through this more. Also in practise, for the case of Leela Zero, verification of the deep learning results is "half-done" by having different weights/models play games against each other. In other words people can about performance in practise, and don't worry about the fact that the deep learning platform may embed secret specific corner cases into the compiled model for whatever reason. I think it's useful to cover these corner cases, for transparency and security, but a lot of work has to go into it beyond simply complaining about it on mailing lists. X [1] https://leela.online-go.com/training/ [2] https://github.com/gcp/leela-zero/issues/167 [3] https://salsa.debian.org/science-team/tensorflow [4] http://zero.sjeng.org/best-network -- GPG: ed25519/56034877E1F87C35 GPG: rsa4096/1318EFAC5FBBDBCE https://github.com/infinity0/pubkeys.git
