Hi. Christian Seiler - 03.08.17, 17:34: > On 08/03/2017 03:21 PM, Rainer Dorsch wrote: > > thank you for all the links. My main question was why it is not listed at > > all in the groupware wiki, you could easily list nextcloud/owncloud in > > the section "Groupware projects not currently considered for inclusion in > > Debian". > It's a wiki, feel free to add it. :) > > > For the technical part, I am wondering if that is still a real issue. I > > see > > the latest version 12.0.0 was released at May 22 2017, since then there > > was > > not even a bugfix release. > > In terms of Debian release cycles that is still a very short time. > > And the main issue here wasn't the release frequency; the main issues > were: > > - most importantly: how to support updates from Debian release X to > X + 1, and upstream didn't want to support that at all, because the > amount of minor versions between two Debian releases was too much
Yes. You nicely summarized it. Seafile for example has from/to versioned update scripts. And an update between several releases is easy: You just run all the update scripts in between. Owncloud didn´t provide for this and David Prévot back then put a lot of work around it, only to be accused of irresponsible by Jos Poortvliet. > My primary impression is that there's a mindset gap here: what I > really like about Debian stable - especially for servers - is that > the software included doesn't change except for security updates > and other serious bugs. Especially if I administer something, and > that something is not the primary thing I'm interested in in my > daily life, then I really want to be able to basically install and > forget the whole thing. And Debian provides me with that opportunity. > And Debian provides the opportunity that when I upgrade Debian once > every two or three years I can migrate my installation and only > have to test invasive changes _once_ at that point. Yes, and thats a principal mind gap between many web application developers and Debian. I concur with your preference here. I don´t want to upgrade to major new software versions all three month. Thus I plan to install Seafile instead, but AFAIK there are only Seafile client packages ready for Debian. I´d love to see official Debian packages for the server component, but currently see myself putting time into this. > > 2) If Nexcloud is interested to bring their software into the debian repo, > > they can help run their regression tests on the upgrade path implemented > > for Debian stable releases (which happens infrequently) > > Well, sure, if they were interested in supporting these kinds > of upgrade paths, which they strongly implied that they are > not. Fairly enough this was with Owncloud upstream… and more than a year ago. I believe many Owncloud developers moved on to Nextcloud… so I belief Nextcloud upstream consists of mostly the same people… I never really confirmed that belief, beyond anecdotical statements I read in several blog posts. Thanks, -- Martin
