-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Simon,
You bring up some very good points and those are very fair questions. On 09/22/2015 12:45 PM, Tobias Frost wrote: | Am Dienstag, den 22.09.2015, 08:19 +0100 schrieb Simon McVittie: |> After those problems have been corrected, will you continue to |> maintain |> ember and the rest of the WorldForge-related packages in the longer |> term, and ensure that they do not become a burden to other |> developers? I Yes, that is my intention. |> ask because in the 16 years that ember was in the archive, it had a |> total of 7 uploads, of which 2 NMUs and at least 3 maintainer uploads |> were to fix release-critical bugs. That isn't a particularly good |> ratio |> of maintainer's time used : other people's time used. That is very true, and I completely agree with you that Debian would be unsustainable if all (or even a significant fraction of) packages had this kind of track record. |> This is not intended as a veto - hopefully you'll have more time for |> it |> than its previous maintainers - but I felt that before it is |> reintroduced, I should specifically point out that every time a |> package |> fails to build from source or is otherwise RC-buggy, and every time |> it |> blocks a transition, it is creating work for people other than its |> maintainer. Yes, very true. I always try to do a quality job on anything I set my mind to. I can't promise that all my uploads will be perfect, but I am aware of the work that falls on others when a package is sub-standard and I do not like others to have to do my work for me. |> While team maintenance is of course A Good Thing, I'm not sure that |> having "the games team" as a co-maintainer mitigates this very much; |> the |> wide range of game technologies and styles maintained by that team |> mean |> that it is relatively unlikely that a random games-team member knows |> how |> to fix and test a random games-team package (or indeed has any |> interest |> in that random package). True, and the WorldForge packages are not exactly simple. I believe that I can only safely count on Games Team support if an urgent fix is required, the fix is simple, and I'm temporarily unavailable for whatever reason. Obviously, anything more is a bonus. :) That's not meant to be disparaging to my fellow Games Team members but I know that they are all busy maintaining their own packages as well. I don't want these packages to be a burden on the Games Team just like I don't want them to be a burden on Debian resources at large. |> Based on the history of ember and its dependencies, it seems fairly |> likely that developers with an interest in the archive as a whole (QA |> team, release team, ftpmasters) will respond to any RC bugs that |> aren't |> fixed promptly by just removing it again. Well, I aim to maintain them in such a way that this does not become necessary. :) It's not exactly a secret that I've had a strong interest in Debian's success since I started using it in...oh, late 90s sometime. Recently I have been trying to give back and I hope to apply to be a DM soon... maybe a DD eventually, if my contributions are deemed worthwhile. ;) I mention this to clarify that my involvement with the WorldForge packages is not just a passing whim but part of my commitment to help Debian overall. I hope that assuages your concerns! | Hi Simon, | | Maybe I chime in.. | I'm in contact with Olek since a while regarding the ecosystem around | ember and the wf libraries. I also volunteered to sponsor his work and | the first uploads are currently being prepared. | | Yes, the former maintainer was, lets say, problematic, a kind of 51th | shade of MIA. (Responding to pings, promising actions soon, but in the | end nothing happened) This was the main blocker here and Olek didn't | want to offend the maintainer, despite that the packages were de-facto | unmaintained. | So this is the right point of time to get those packages a good | restart, with Olek as maintainer, even if I see another 51th-shade of | MIA in the way -- down the road. (Therefore I would be interested in | general guidance how to handle such pseudo-MIA or selective-MIA: Cases | where the maintainer is active, but still nothing happens at least on | certain packages, even after prodding.) | | I'm confident that Olek will maintain the packages adequately. | If not, removal bugs can still be filed, but I prefer to give him the | opportunity to show. | | -- | tobi Thanks for the support, Tobi! :) - -Olek -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJWAkUeAAoJEH2D1AagncHkoVkP/RzZFY5mQykl9Actw4LrTr/B F2/XneXSIAd0vMz7SkKhYme6C5d9ozqAjU5vJkmjytLAWdw38JKCC+5tzI3CMkRd B+GxgRDJ3zr8Lz7WjyA2FzIngh8EhP+9HW/8EJR2ftq93K+KXjtNpFwxuxiaNsvk I5ONsY6e3JI3t0A6lBWyms5BcEkSmW99EoYbmnBL+n8mYt+TQGjdK4LZufZyJY7X +xS0kcbeH2toq60rAFKIYpDNQawCj4eXGxWdAqph6OipXNaCZPrfzR4zkVwGZ0Jy V614f7W4od5Tr8x504ETR9O3Xh55M9ywYLyR4hl/6nuDEAsoKxL7vHszZkaAAJL1 WDlNes2D5ZlUiSoLR1jjQQfpIY/X4YnEeIFQkX6SGCnSY6ajane4X8RyFPik2B60 KgOLMsMq9ys2DYrgwEAIPfhgh61EJF6dmNMhC1dKQhlIeGx+MvD1UcRFuRkbVwjL 6kCz2uTvGOaD5w8k4X/QwFHqBB1fOw83dica+i7kDFoVTnbcJ/yHBTNv48q5T4CF PJra9KkVFGNEtyFcNgUmkNCFvZH96IPGWfxBII50S7edLBocJtRPtUZJJHptF+3x Z4ZfF1w9qKvOfC55+b2k8PywdLQlNbRKnaJiYdMvcmBQLz/GI/YFdQ11oYsdKIO8 23D5+yBbh96LVFiLFEcm =TPzE -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
