On Thu, Apr 16, 2015, at 02:38, Marc Haber wrote:
> On Thu, 16 Apr 2015 00:08:32 +0200, Mattia Rizzolo
> >https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-archive.html#s-main
> >policy section 2.2.1
> >"packages in main must not require or recommend a package outside of
> >main for compilation or execution (thus, the package must not declare
> >a "Pre-Depends", "Depends", "Recommends", "Build-Depends", or
> >"Build-Depends-Indep" relationship on a non-main package),"
> >
> >this also includes resources over the internet.
> 
> It is mildly weird to define arbitrary Internet resources as
> "package". This is in dire need of clarification.

That clarification is already being worked on debian-policy.

The fact is that you cannot use webservices during build, even if they're 
non-interactive. The very specific case of starting one on localhost for the 
build would be fine as far as policy goes, I think (I didn't check), but it 
could easily cause operational problems in the autobuilders, so it is likely to 
be a very bad idea anyway.

We had issues in large numbers of packages in the past due to that. I recall 
validating XML parsers that would attempt to download schemans or DTDs even 
when they were already in the local catalog, for example.  And that was not 
even something that could change the build result, as at most it could cause 
the build to stop.  The one where the XML parsers were downloading external 
entities during build, well, THAT one was much worse as it could cause the 
build results to change.

It is fine to have a source package that has a *properly documented in 
debian/README.source* preparation phase that must be done by the maintainer 
when downloading a new upstream version, though.  It is not a problem if the 
maintainer has to run a manual debian/rules target that will hit the net, use 
webservices, whatever (even if he has to do it interactively, although that's 
obviously sub-optimal).  As long as the maintainer can check the results for 
any trojans that might have crept in (i.e. there is no difference from what one 
is already supposed to do with any new source release from upstream), there is 
no problem.

-- 
  "One disk to rule them all, One disk to find them. One disk to bring
  them all and in the darkness grind them. In the Land of Redmond
  where the shadows lie." -- The Silicon Valley Tarot
  Henrique de Moraes Holschuh <h...@debian.org>


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