On 16/02/2015 21:31, Marco d'Itri wrote: > On Feb 16, Alastair McKinstry <alastair.mckins...@sceal.ie> wrote: > >> The breakage of compatibility of existing systems (e.g. with /usr on a >> separate partition) has left a sour taste. I spent a weekend repairing > systemd introduces no such breakage. Also, /usr on a separate partition > was partially broken even before systemd. > My system broke. It was fine, I did an upgrade -> jessie. It broke because of systemd and the fact I had /usr on a separate partition. Its an old system. Much repair later showed I was lacking some modules due to a lack of space at one time. So ok, not a "proper" bug, my fault, no bug logged. However I did spend the weekend rebooting, hacking, to try and get it fixed.
But the fact that I did not end up needing to submit bugs against wheezy/jessie hides the fact that things broke. There are lots of 'slightly non-standard' systems out there that have minor local changes that the admin can maintain. As systemd touches so much, it will break lots of these corner cases >> I have real problems with this lack of modularity. > Again, you clearly do not understand well how systemd works. Yes, and you've failed to see how this is not just my problem, its Debians problem. Its fairly typical for a developer to have in-depth knowledge in the corner where they are working, but a mild working knowledge of other areas, where they don't need to keep up with the latest developments in the field. E.g. I don't pay attention to the latest developments in bluetooth. It just works (or doesn't), I don't care. But systemd now touches everything it seems. For example networking: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=systemd-networkd-IP-Forward I have local, special changes to networks and firewalls. Am I supposed to keep intimately involved in systemd developments in this area, to make sure my systems will stay working? I have no desire to do so, and none to explain what unique changes I want to maintain on my home systems and make sure they work. I just want the code base involved to be small enough that I can follow and change it. When we voted on default pid0, I was not particularly concerned, but this is definitely not what I signed up for. > As usual, the systemd critics are just misinformed. This comforts me. > because it means that their views can be easily ignored. > ! -- Alastair McKinstry, <alast...@sceal.ie>, <mckins...@debian.org>, https://diaspora.sceal.ie/u/amckinstry Misentropy: doubting that the Universe is becoming more disordered. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/54e31568.1080...@sceal.ie
