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On Fri, May 09 2014, Russ Allbery wrote:
> Josh Triplett <j...@joshtriplett.org> writes:
>> Russ Allbery wrote:
>
>>> I think we need some sort of critical debconf prompt here for the
>>> jessie release, similar to how we handled the change of /bin/sh to dash
>>> and how we handled the switch to startpar. Probably in systemd-sysv,
>>> which is the package that forces the conversion. It's quite surprising
>>> to, for example, install network-manager (which is an application that
>>> ca be used with non-GNOME window managers) and end up with a new init
>>> system.
>
>> I strongly disagree: if the maintainers of the various packages have
>> done their jobs well (which they have), upgrading should be entirely
>> transparent.
When things are working well, of course there is little to worry
about. I myself got converted and did not notice. But there is more to
this than the happy lane: What happens when the init system breaks? I
am currently very familiar with sysvinit, and am comfortable debugging
and hacking at shell scripts to get my system back in single user
mode.
Am I similarly knowledgeable about recovering a sick systemd
environment? No, not yet, I am not. I do mean to learn about it at some
point, perhaps soon. But by pushing ahead the timetable, I have been
left with a system I am not at all confident of being able to debug and
fix. Not asking me has led to a gap in my disaster recovery
preparedness :P
I do not think silently swapping out a critical piece of
infrastructure, where the underlying technology is so different,
without asking is serving our users well.
manoj
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