Le mercredi 21 novembre 2012 à 04:03 +0100, Michael Schmitt a écrit : > > Gnome3-classic (fallback) is the option more like to what was gnome2. I > > have been using it for a while and is a good option if you want a > > desktop like gnome2. > It may be for you or for some others, but not for all a viable option. > Most definitely not for me, the local and remote folks I asked around > the globe.
Yeah, because people can’t stand their panels going from gray to black. > Don't get me wrong most of them could probably "get along" > with the fallback mode after some degree of tweaking, but they would > miss A LOT! Some examples? In no particular order: The complete > infrastructure under gnome-fallback is a *completely* *different* horse. > Some would say it is not even a horse, it is rather a mule! That "mule" > behaves utterly different when it comes to several aspects. You need to be more specific because despite being one of the maintainers I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. > The panel (no free arranging of applets / starters; This is by design. Please point me to a case where the new layout mechanism doesn’t answer *real* user needs. OTOH being finally free of absolute positioning means the end of the awful bugs when resizing the screen or when applets change their size. > not all applets ported; Port them. I’ve done it for a pair of them, it is really simple. > simple right-click does not work anymore, alt or even alt+super+click > is needed now; Obviously you haven’t had to manage a help desk where you get calls from people who have accidentally removed their notification area or their window list with a wrongly placed right click. > menus arranged in a completely different and un-logical > fashion;...). Wut? > No language / keyboard settings in GDM anymore (Oops, you > speak a different language with a different keyboard layout then the > system default? Hope you did not use any fancy symbols for your password > then!). This one, I agree, is a real problem. I don’t like how upstream moved regional settings to the control center. Patches that reintroduce keyboard selection in GDM in a correct fashion will be accepted. > The control-center, a lot of stuff is missing. Gone are the days > you can keep your laptop running when closing the lid. Want to prohibit > display blanking? Sorry, gone too. If you want very specific settings you can use gsettings to set those defaults. You are not talking of basic use cases that a random user with no understanding of a command line would need. > That list goes on and on (ask the web for a more comprehensive list) Yeeehaw, just “ask the web”. What could go wrong with that? Haven’t you noticed how asking the web will always lead to the same answer: any change will be deemed absolutely horrible and destructive. > and some of those shortcomings can be > tweaked away, which means effort and grief in varying degree. In short, > gnome3-fallback just looks at the upper surface almost like gnome2 did, > but is, behaves, works completely different. Indeed, it works much better. It is a fallback for GNOME3, not just GNOME2 with sed s/gnome/mate/ so it was a bit more work, but certainly worth it. > I kind of insist it being in jessie ;) And yes, that makes another good > point why the gnome3-fallback just can't feel like the real thing. It is > supposed to be for those users that 1.) can't use the shell as no 3D > acceleration available 2.) absolutely can't or don't want to work with a > new and different desktop-paradigm, with accepted pain and grief in > varying detail... So what you suggest for jessie is, after users having gone through the “pain” of moving from GNOME2 to GNOME 3 classic, to go back to GNOME2 with GTK2, GConf (sorry, MateConf) and almost everything looking like a squeeze desktop? Way to go. -- .''`. Josselin Mouette : :' : `. `' `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1353503700.3878.23.camel@pi0307572
