-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi,
Thanks to Josh for starting this discussion. I think that you summarized most arguments very well in your mail. Am 12.10.2011 23:39, schrieb Josh Triplett: > Not every system needs an MTA, and I'd argue that today most systems > don't. End-user systems (desktops, laptops) typically handle mail via > one or more smarthosts elsewhere, driven by MUAs that know how to talk > SMTP. Other tools which send mail have learned to send SMTP as well, > and tools that cannot still have the option of recommending or depending > on an MTA without needing one in standard. And many servers don't need > an MTA either, unless they run programs which need to send mail by > calling sendmail. I agree with the counter-arguments in this thread, that a default UNIX server setup should contain an MTA. This also is true for desktop systems of advanced UNIX sysadmins. But if Debian cares about desktop users which don't know the internals of a Linux/UNIX system, we need to accept that they have a very different vision of a default installation. For them a system should be kept easy, with as few daemons as possible. For them things like power consumption and RAM usage of default systems count much more than whether the system has all required elements of a standard UNIX system. I suggest that there is no "one size fits all" for servers, desktops and mobile systems. Either we distingush between different needs, or we focus on one target user group. In case we want a "universal operating system", we need to provide _different_ sane defaults depending on the needs. Why not use tasksel for this? It should be easy to introduce a basic server task which contains things like default MTA, SSH server, etc. while a basic desktop task doesn't. To make my point clear: I'm much in favour of supporting default installations without a MTA. Regards, jonas -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJOmUOYAAoJEFJi5/9JEEn+vIEQAKtUUGiGmp6xlY4W2s+AHyCb j0N4w2BXcMJZ6wzAp3f8/SvC4jtcnaToBvE7J6YCJ3p95GxqztbhOcrqPTRt2XhM b4odvTJanbF80dMHPQ9nkisL432uKW+WAd0Z4P4bhQJUY/oR/BOlZ7lCGywJ17Ax W6tL78l4hMLVLKvedKbZlleY2/kATFz88vqCa/UdE8mFnYEvvg1jvfQOS8w+iKWu ZZrgetzwN5F4tX6FZTMSbqWB/lOjxxAYObAV8iNv8Eems4fMIniZpuDEOzja/y3e 4bY7l2DiRY/cEoEl5NQIyY9zNMRGSBeXdgoEl1TvLhHtVNeAouva+YjIr3bj7lpV q/y0JisKmUYlvaVGKRMDh3OVJf8TNxkaC5xZYbo5zTWjUoCNYlzdedgjFFyD3mpt MHzdcpeArULJ4W+4lBJV9Hk3qJhKALdL8fXfit5Nixeb8P+k690H7Vwdk9GCUhfB AcY2O3FywKdr4qZzlpANUihWmsegPrwXz2tKcAmf5UtEcODgF3y1uPWKbtbepOGp yI72ZcHb9TmUoFICfsdIlBjCQRP1CzX5zuEdefu5DBu4AuZwZYz5Y08jn5ItiZ7O A/RY/R9mBcLMwXHgs4t3FtQNVMRpjGK72ZdEr+e+yGcH2D/pW7eKuS+au8TGDE6I pKfdUFQI+oQjc3FgkqZC =kJcq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4e99439e.9050...@freesources.org
