On Sat, 2011-04-30 at 17:09 -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 06:48:22PM +0200, Julian Andres Klode wrote: > > > "We might some day later change the way apt works for upgrades" is not an > > > argument for adding a pre-dependency now. > > > But that we do want to prevent a broken APT -- when using the common > > "dpkg -i ...; apt-get install -f" idiom (where ... is APT) -- certainly > > is an argument. > > Yeah. I don't strongly disagree with this argument, but I also don't find > it particularly persuasive. apt already treats apt as special, I don't > think it's very consistent to ask dpkg and other front ends to also treat > apt specially (by way of Pre-Depends). > > > The counter argument seems to be > > - we do not protect the user from removing APT with dpkg > > => counter argument: dpkg -i is common, dpkg -R is not > > (see Raphaël's email) > > - there are other package managers > > => counter argument: No other package manager has as few > > dependencies as APT and as high priority. > > - it doesn't fit with the usual justifications of Pre-Depends > (needed in preinst, or package is essential and must be usable > when unpacked), and it will be pointed to as precedent for other > non-traditional uses of Pre-Depends, when it's already hard to > explain to people when Pre-Depends should be used and why? > > (Yes, I know that I've just been responsible for a much worse instance of > this in the case of multiarch-support; I'm not thrilled about that either, > but don't see any other way to ensure reliable upgrades to wheezy.) > > > So practically spoken, we are at something like +0.5 for the change > > based on the arguments. Based on votes, we're currently at +1. > > > -1 jac...@debian.org > > +1 pe...@p12n.org > > +1 hert...@debian.org > > -2 kalnischkies+deb...@gmail.com > > +2 j...@debian.org > > 0 m...@debian.org > > ------------------ > > +1 total (maximum 9) > > Well, I guess you could count me as a weak -1 here. If it's weak, use a float: -0.5.
-1.0 jac...@debian.org +1.0 pe...@p12n.org +1.0 hert...@debian.org -2.0 kalnischkies+deb...@gmail.com +2.0 j...@debian.org 0.0 m...@debian.org -0.5 vor...@debian.org ------------------ +0.5 total (maximum 10) -- Julian Andres Klode - Debian Developer, Ubuntu Member See http://wiki.debian.org/JulianAndresKlode and http://jak-linux.org/. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1304247627.3795.2.camel@jak-thinkpad
