On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 10:30 AM, Holger Levsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
> Hi Ben, > > On Monday 25 August 2008 11:38, Ben Armstrong wrote: > > Thanks. It's hard to let go, but it's really for the best if someone > > else will carry on. > > Yup. Has something happened on this in the last month? > > > > Is that vision written down somewhere? > > It is probably best expressed on http://wiki.debian.org/DebianJr quoted > > below: > > Sounds good and compatible :) > > > > Because I often think, that Debian Jr. could be(come a) part of Debian > > > Edu. In Etch Debian Edu came with one preconfigured desktop (which is > KDE > > > and rather aimed at older students), but now we are in the process of > > > merging with Linex and they have used three (iirc) different gnome > > > desktops (configurations), one for 1st+2nd grade, one for 3rd+4th grade > > > and another one for older students. I'd say that Debian Jr fits in the > > > 0th+1st grade "category" ;-) > > > > > > What do you think? > > > > While I would not have any problem with that if Edu cared for the > > project and preserved the vision I described above, I have always > > felt my own ideas for Jr had nothing to do with school and might indeed > > by swallowed up by school concerns if we were an arm of the Debian Edu > > project. That is why I kept it a distinct project. > > /me nods. > > That said, I dont see much of a problem here, or maybe rather, an easy way > out: Debian Edu provides two key features: customisation of the desktop for > pupils/schools and providing a network infrastructure for schools. Debian > Jr. > doesnt need the latter at all (or? kindergarten network seems a bit far out > to me atm, maybe its not), but thats no issue, as Debian Edu also already > has > standalone installs. > > And we even have different desktop profiles for standalone installs now: > kde, > gnome and sugar. And I would love to extend this to "kde for primary > school, > kde for middle classes, kde for high school and university" and the same > with > gnome. And then also kde & gnome for kids. > > I'd think this would boil down to provide a different installer image or > installation type with the existing image. So basically, a Debian Edu > install > with "less overhead", which is not needed for a single^wstandalone kids > machine. > > > But we're in poor > > shape right now, and the most important thing is that the project go > > forward. How would you propose the distinctiveness of Jr be kept? > > See above :) > > > How > > do you think children would view Jr if it were an arm of the Edu > > project? In Debian Jr, our focus is the child and the fun of > > discovery. While some progressive educationists claim to hold to these > > values, I worry about how kids would view the Jr project if it were > > absorbed into Edu. > > Hm. Honestly, I have no idea how kids see Debian Jr. now, maybe I wonder if > they can see it, as currently afaik its "only" a packaging effort within > Debian, so I dont think it's visible to them. Do you agree? ;) > > Basically, to keep Debian Jr. distinct, I would suggest branding :) > > > regards, > Holger > So, Debian Jr will be included into Debian Edu? -- Atte, Maximiliano Marin http://blogs.opensur.org/maximilinux
