Op zo, 05-12-2004 te 17:15 +0100, schreef Jonas Meurer:
> On 05/12/2004 Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> > > so you would even accept nazi propaganda material in debian, just
> > > because you dislike censorship?
> >
> > Yes, for the very same reason that many public libraries across the
> > world contain the book 'Mein Kampf', by Adolf Hitler.
>
> there's a big difference between documenting history and actively
> propagandizing historical backspins. at least there should be.
There's a big difference between accepting nazi propaganda in Debian and
actively propagating nazism. Besides, I fail to see how a library who
includes 'Mein Kampf' in its collection is merely 'documenting history'.
Documenting history would be to write a synthesis of Mein Kampf, perhaps
including historical context. Providing the book itself is more than
that.
> > > did you ever think about the issue, that discriminating
> > > positions/POVs themselves are censoring, as they eliminate the thoughts
> > > of suppressed individuals?
> >
> > It is discriminating to censor other people's thoughts, even if those
> > thoughts themselves are discriminating and advocate censorship.
>
> you may run into big troubles if you tolerate a violent ideology - it's
> no longer about thoughts but more about brutality.
Not if you're merely voicing those thoughts.
Apart from that, I wasn't talking about violent ideologies specifically.
> maybe we have different ideas about what freedom is, but at least in my
> eyes - freedom is always limited by other peoples freedom.
I couldn't agree more; in fact, I've made this claim myself in the past.
However, voicing your ideas does not limit the freedom of other people.
It may annoy them, but that is not the same thing.
> discriminating is mostly about retrenching other peoples freedom, isn't
> it?
Sure.
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