On Sat, 2003-08-02 at 04:51, Nathanael Nerode wrote: > Matt Zimmerman said: > > I do not think that version number milestones are important for a > > release. I think that having a well-integrated, high-quality > > distribution is important for a release, and this is not so easily > > monitored. > > Releasing with KDE 2.2, GNOME 1, and a default of GCC 2.95 would be just > plain pathetic. So sometimes, version number milestones *are* important > for a release. ..
> I guess what really matters here is having versions which aren't > ludicrously out of date. Specifically, if something was released > upstream over a year ago, and Debian releases with an even *older* > version (without good reason), that's not good at all. > I disagree. We should ship ASAP despite, or even because of, older milestones. With RC bugs and d-i (as is) fixed, Sarge would still be an improvement on current stable, woody: the longer between releases the less useful the distro is, as it lacks modern drivers on the CDs. Already people are running into problems installing woody due to old drivers: eg new servers with gigabit NICs not supported in woody CDs make installing very painful. Secondly, we need to signal to upstream to fix up _their_ act, too. If we can't ship, for example the latest gcc because glibc isn't ISO C compliant and working with gcc-3.3 (see other thread), then others need to act: glibc maintainers (upstream). Why is it considered OK for other commercial distributions to ship shoddy software? Instead of being ashamed of shipping old versions, we should ship whats in testing, and let people ask questions as to why we're not shipping gcc 3.3. And answer them. regards, Alastair > -- > Nathanael Nerode <neroden at gcc.gnu.org> > http://home.twcny.rr.com/nerode/neroden/fdl.html -- Alastair McKinstry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> GPG Key fingerprint = 9E64 E714 8E08 81F9 F3DC 1020 FA8E 3790 9051 38F4 He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself. - --Thomas Paine
