On Sat, Sep 30, 2017 at 02:04:58PM +0200, Pino Toscano wrote:
> In data sabato 30 settembre 2017 14:55:34 CEST, Adrian Bunk ha scritto:
>...
> > Current status quo in Debian is that it is completely normal that
> > a new upload of some package is followed by me filing 10-50 RC bugs
> > against packages that FTBFS due to that change.
>
> No, it is not. You are mixing two things in the same pot:
> a) breakages due to side-effect (possibly not known in advance) of new
> versions of packages
> b) well-known breakages that some change is going to cause
>...
In the vast majority of the RC bugs I report, the sole difference
between a) and b) is whether the uploader bothered to check whether
the new package might break rdeps.
gtk-doc-tools 1.26 or Qt 5.9 likely breaking some rdeps is something
that is known in advance.
> My note was a general remark that for things in the (b) category above
> a pre-emptive email/bug/etc to the interested rdeps *is* the optimal
> way to interface with other people. I do not care if other people just
> dump stuff in unstable and expect other to clean up after the mess they
> created -- it is simply *not* correct, not even fair.
#872796 #873023 #873444 #872742 #873020 #874187
Do you consider it fair that I had to submit bugs to help clean up the
mess created by the Qt maintainers dumping 5.9 into unstable without
first checking that all their rdeps still build?
> > So when the only rdep is one package that is not in testing and anyways
> > requires a (non-trivial) sourceful upload for re-entering testing,
> > I fail to see any reasonable justification for me to spend additional
> > time on going through any process longer than just filing an RC bug.
>
> And this is again this very specific case.
I did this change as part of a QA upload also fixing one of these
FTBFS I reported but didn't cause (#876583).
With more rdeps I'd have added a Provides, but in this very specific
case there was only one rdep that anyways needs an upload for
re-entering testing.
> Pino Toscano
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Adrian
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