Hi

Dmitry Smirnov <only...@debian.org> writes:

> On Thu, 13 Nov 2014 15:27:30 Gaudenz Steinlin wrote:
>> Is this package still usefull?
>
> Perhaps it is not too useful right now but I'm planning to update it for 
> kernel 3.16 eventually...
>
>> Both the ceph filesystem module and the
>> rbd module are included in the upstream kernel and AFAICS regularly
>> updated.
>
> I would never needed "ceph-dkms" in first place if Ceph were maintained in 
> kernel well enough...

Hm, that surprises me. But I'm not too familiar with it as I'm mostly
using the rbd backend to qemu. But before writing the above sentence I
compared the code here https://github.com/ceph/ceph-client to the
upstream linux kernel and could not find any differences. But then maybe
I did not look at the right branches or the right repository at all.


>
>> Maybe it's better to just remove this package.
>
> What's the rush? "ceph-dkms" is in "experimental" only...

I agree there is no rush at all. If there is a good use case for the
package and there is code around which is more up to date than what's
included in 3.16 I'm all in favor of keeping the package. I just think
there is not much point in keeping a package that's not updated and
obsolete.

> On Thu, 13 Nov 2014 10:29:22 Ken Dreyer wrote:
>> I was wondering the same. Could Debian users just rely on the kernel
>> module in the main kernel package?
>
> That's pretty much the current situation -- we have "ceph-dkms" only in 
> "experimental" so when needed we could test fixes promptly (or rapidly deploy 
> hot-fixes when necessary). I tried to rely on kernel modules in main kernel 
> package and failed miserably -- as consequence I had to make "ceph-dkms" to 
> test and deploy critical fixes. We do not encourage "ceph-dkms" and it is 
> available only to "advanced" users who know about "experimental" suite. 
> Package even have a note that it is not suitable for release...

It was not obvious to me that ceph-dkms is intended to always stay in
experimental. If it's not intended to ever go into
unstable/testing/stable I see no problem with the current state. 

If things really fail miserably I would prefer to have the relevant
patches in a stable kernel update though. AFAIK the Debian kernel
maintainers are open to adding backported fixes that are included into
the upstream kernel in later versions.

Gaudenz


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