On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 19:40:11 +0100, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote: > CC'ing Guido; see below. > > Le vendredi 12 novembre 2010 19:06:16 Julien Cristau, vous avez écrit : > > On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 19:03:29 +0100, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote: > > > Le vendredi 12 novembre 2010 18:46:23 Julien Cristau, vous avez écrit : > > > > how do you figure that image is a derivative of the logo, making the > > > > logo's copyright license relevant? > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > The derivation is obvious when looking at the images. > > > > Not to me it ain't. > > I knew we would disagree, but I'm fine with this; discussion is healthy. > I'm not sure it's the word I'd use for discussion about lawyery stuff between non-lawyers. Waste of time would be more like it, so this will by my last mail here.
> Let's try to summarize my thoughts: > > I consider that any graphical occurence of the "debian" word as it > appears (with the Poppl-Laudatio-Condensed font, red dot on i, > lower-case) in the Debian Open Use Logo "with" the word "debian" > (DOUL-with if spelled short) is to be considered as a derivative of > it. So what are you basing this on? > The specific non-DFSG-free license attached to the DOUL-with is > there due to "ongoing concerns about trademarks" (that's on [0]). So > the trademark is essentially the name "debian" as it appears on the > logo. > No. The trademark is "Debian". Nothing to do with how it appears on the logo. > My point is that whereever that "debian" trademark appears, it must be > considered under that restrictive license, otherwise we are basically > not protecting our trademark. That doesn't follow, AFAICT. > Either it is under the restrictive license and it has to be removed > from main (as a violation of the DFSG), or it is not and it means that > anybody can draw a pixel-by-pixel identical "debian" word and do > whatever he wants with it. > Not "do whatever he wants with it". If the trademark "Debian" is protected then using it in a way prohibited by trademark law would be a problem *regardless of whether what's being used is a derivative of the Debian open use logo with "Debian" or not*. Cheers, Julien
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