Hi Atsuhito, and everyone else.

On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 11:48:32AM +0900, Atsuhito Kohda wrote:
> Hi Andreas and all,
> 
> On Sat, 19 Apr 2008 17:14:28 +0200, Andreas Metzler wrote:
> 
> > the situation seems to be rather simple:
> 
> Might be so but it looks to me that simple situation
> is not understood correctly.  I almost lost motivation
> to argue this issue any more.  But anyway;
> 
> > On top of that upstream tells us that the
> > version shipped in the package "lynx" is outdated and that only
> > lynx-cur should be shipped:
> 
> from the above,
> 
> > So we should not have a package lynx-cur in sid, and the package lynx
> > should be at version 2.8.7dev.8.
> 
> it is natural or reasonable for me to concluse, we should 
> not have a package lynx in sid.

Actually, I'd suggest a very slightly different approach.
> 
> > You'll need to arrange between you
> > two how to get this done.
> 
> lynx and lynx-cur are maintained for quite a long time
> independently and I don't think I need any co-maintenace
> with lynx-cur at present.  Further, 

No objections there.
> 
> On Fri, 04 Jan 2008 08:13:58 +0100, Luk Claes wrote:
> 
> > >> The lynx maintainer carries many core responsibilities inside Debian, so
> > >> this appears to be the best solution. James, as lynx upstream Thomas 
> > >> Dickey
> > >> agrees that the version from lynx-cur should replace the regular lynx and
> > >> as you have a lot of work with FTP mastering, DAM and debian-admin, it
> > >> appears to be a good solution to go along this path and co-maintain lynx
> > >> along with lynx-cur maintainer Atsuhito KOHDA or pass maintenance to him
> > >> entirely?
> > > 
> > > I didn't get any response from anyone and now find that 
> > > a maintainer of lynx has changed to Zephaniah.
> 
> > Hmm, how hard would it be to talk to Zephaniah and just cooperate on the
> > package?
> 
> I'd like to say, how hard would it be for James to drop
> me a short note regarding this at that time.
> 
> In fact, I've filed bug reports to lynx in the past but 
> never (really never!) got any rely from maintainers.

My fault on the more recent ones, but James wasn't much better, so, meh.
> 
> On Fri, 4 Jan 2008 08:50:19 +0100, Moritz Muehlenhoff wrote:
> 
> > E.g. you could either adopt lynx-cur as the standard lynx
> > (since it's apparently stable enough), cherry-pick important
> > patches into lynx or maintain lynx-cur only in experimental.
> 
> Umm, saying it is stable enough and you advised to put it
> in experimental?  This sounds to me very self-contradicting.
> 
> If you all think it is enough to update lynx to the
> current version (and a maintainer keeps it in the latest
> version), it's okay for me now (sigh).
> 
> But if I'm allowed to advice, it will be better to use
> the package name lynx-cur because it is the name of the 
> upstream source.
> 
> Zephaniah, I'd like to hear your opinion if possible.
> 
> If my mail sounds unpleasant, it is not my intention
> but it is because my English ability prevents me from
> expressing my feeling correctly enough in Englisy ;-)

First, a note on the hijack of lynx some time back.

Basicly, it was unmaintained and had not had an upload in ages, so it
got one, then another.

And then, er, I got a new job and have not had free time for over six
months, somewhere in there I should have probably asked for another
maintainer, or something of the like.

As far as the current status goes, I have no objection to the package
currently known as lynx going away, as long as a lynx package continues
to exist and gets enough attention to not be a security risk.

That said, whichever package name goes away, we need a transition
package that depends on the other, at least for Lenny and maybe for
Lenny+1.  The argument for lynx-cur being the same as upstream makes
sense, but so does 'apt-get install lynx' and 'the binary name is lynx'.

I'd be happy to try and coordinate on this, but I don't have much more
free time now then I have had for the past several months.

So, my vote is for removal of the package currently known as lynx, with
the current lynx-cur package taking it's place in one form or another.

If you need this gpg signed, I can do so, but it's a slight pain to do
with my current configuration.

(My mail client is no longer running on a box I trust to hold my gpg
key.  I should find the time to fix that someday.)

Zephaniah E. Hull.
> 
> Regards,                               2008-4-21(Mon)
> 
> -- 
>  Debian Developer - much more I18N of Debian
>  Atsuhito Kohda <kohda AT debian.org>
>  Department of Math., Univ. of Tokushima
> 

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