On 02-May-05, 03:00 (CDT), Thomas Viehmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> Steve Greenland wrote:
> > Thomas, I think there's more here than a simple LARTing can fix.
> OK, sorry. I remain unconvinced that there is a bug here, let alone an
> RC bug, but at least it seems to be more confusing to people than I
> would have thought.

Yes, it is.

You were right, I hadn't selected "Projects" on the user admin screen,
only on the group screen, *and* for my *user* on the group admin screen.

Of course, I didn't have the "Prefences" modules selected either, and
yet I could access that.

Do you see the confusion? There are apparently two completely different
overlapping ACL systems. Some of those ACLs are meaningless for some
modules (calendar and addressbook), but not others. (I say meaningless,
because according to the 'user groups' ACLs, I don't have any access to
those two apps, yet they work fine.)


> Well, to be perfectly honest, I understand your point, but I disagree
> here. The admin user in phpGroupWare does not have implied priviledges
> and while it's a debatable design decision, it's a prefectly sound
> principle that you should have to grant permissions to all but the most
> basic apps - especially the ones that need to be set up by the admin -
> before users can see and use them. If I'm not mistaken,  most of the
> apps behave like this, not only -projects.

That may be, but what I saw was that two of the three I had installed
worked, one didn't. It would be better to have access to nothing than to
an apparently random sample.

You might consider changing the default so that the original admin user
*does* have access to all the apps. Presumably a module is installed
so that it can be used, and there's no point in making the admin fumble
around. If the admin can see something and the other users can not, it
very clearly a permission issue, and even I might have stumbled accross
the magic combination.

> My apologies for asking this, but systematic analysis wants this
> question first.

No need to apologize, that fixed it.

> I'll refrain from providing a screenshot if that's any
> consolation.

When discussiong UI, screenshots are *good*. That way we know what the
other is seeing.

> P.S.: In my opinion, this bug should be reseveritied "minor" if it's a
> documentation issue or "important" if indeed a malfunction, because it
> doesn't seem to affect all users.

Minor. Obviously, if I'm the only one who couldn't figure this out, it's
my problem. But a two sentence note in the README.Debian would have
avoided this whole conversation.

Thanks for putting up with my fumbling. 

Steve

-- 
Steve Greenland
    The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating
    system and Linus Torvalds claims to be trying to take over the
    world.       -- seen on the net


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