On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 5:54 AM, Frank Terbeck <f...@bewatermyfriend.org> wrote:
> Samuel Bronson wrote:
>> Frank Terbeck wrote:
>>> Samuel Bronson wrote:
> [...]
>>>> | naesten@hydrogen:~/hacking/crawl/crawl-ref/source% echo -n ${(q)$(echo |
>>>> -e "\e")}|hd
>>>> | 00000000 24 27 1b 27 |$'.'|
>>>> | 00000004
> [...]
>>> zsh% printf '%s\n' ${(q)$(echo -e "\e")}
>>> $'\033'
>>
>> Oh, really? Leaves one wondering about the point of "echo -e"...
>
> Not really. The problem is not the inner, but the outer echo. The inner
> echo ($the >$(echo -e "\e")<)produces an actual escape character (0x1b).
>
> The (q) produces an octal escape in $'...' quotes (0x1b == 033o). The
> outer echo sees the octal escape and interprets it, producing a literal
> ASCII escape character again.
Yes, I understood this.
> Echo is like that - or not, depending on the shell in question. Even
> POSIX says:
>
> [SUSv3, echo]
> New applications are encouraged to use printf instead of echo.
> [...]
> The echo utility has not been made obsolescent because of its
> extremely widespread use in historical applications. Conforming
> applications that wish to do prompting without <newline>s or that
> could possibly be expecting to echo a -n, should use the printf
> utility derived from the Ninth Edition system.
> [/SUSv3]
>
> In other words: `echo' is crap. We've just not removed it, because it's
> in heavy use. If you want consistent predictable behaviour, use
> `printf'.
Hehe. You'd think they'd have formally deprecated it, rather than
settling for literal deprecation like this, though ;-).
> If you're wondering why zsh's `echo' has the `-e' option at all,
> although it interprets the escape sequences anyway, then the answer is:
> Because zsh tries to please everyone. There is an `-E' option, that
> disables the escape sequences effect. And there's a `BSD_ECHO' option,
> that makes that behaviour the default for zsh's `echo'. In order to get
> the interpreting behaviour with that option set, the `-e' option is
> provided.
Yes, that's essentially what I was wondering about. (Though I was
wondering it about echo in general, rather than just zsh's.) Fair
enough.
> This is yet another reason not to use echo. Different shells have
> annoyingly different echos and in zsh you can even alter its behaviour
> by options.
>
> I hope that clears things up.
Yes, it does. Thanks muchly!
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