On Tue, 9 Feb 2010, Michael Biebl wrote: > > > However, I would guess it is still more useful for most > > packages to run if-down.d scripts instead of > > if-post-down.d, if only one of them is going to run. > > Not exactly sure what you mean by that. Would you please elaborate.
I see. Maybe I'm the one confounding it. DWIS (ifupdown does what NM says) vs. DWIM. > > To me it seems like "up" and "down" have some sort of > > primacy over "pre-up" and "post-down." > > Might be. Imho I find it a bit confusing, that ifupdown does not map its > events/PHASES to directories of the same name, i.e. > PHASE:pre-up -> if-pre-up.d > PHASE:post-up -> if-up.d > PHASE:pre-down -> if-down.d > PHASE:post-down -> if-post-down.d I think that's the way ifupdown works, see `man 5 interfaces` it is the phase environment variable. "post-up" is alias for primary entity "up" and "pre-down" for "down," AFAICT. I would think NM should set PHASE values "pre-up", "up", "down", and "post-down" since those are the established directory names. > At the current state it is imho rather unlikely that > upstream is changing his position on this. Yargh. Argh. Avast ye. It's anti-competitive for one engineer of a particular commercial distribution to make this decision. (See below.) > I'm a bit puzzled why you think that keeping down mapped > to pre-down is preferrable. Because it only requires changing the way one package works (network-manager) versus two (network-manager and ifupdown). The scripts installed with those directory names (which are useable as PHASE values) expect to run in a universal order regardless of whether the interface is managed by network-manager or spelled out in interfaces. Debian is a model for software distribution free of economic encumberances, so it represents and equates to free access to the entire market. Companies that produce and sell specialty software packaged for use in a "pure" open source environment are the only ones who truly have access to the entire market. I could imagine some product to sell, like a cell phone gui, that would bring interfaces up and down; a manager for active connection routes switching from one wireless to another might expect to deploy scripts to send route data precisely when new interfaces came up and before old ones went out of range. Say I developed that with Debian, because that platform technically and legally grants me access to the whole world market, since the platform has no cost to the consumer. Software can be ported to RedHat, Mac and Windows easily enough; it's a growing model. It's not fair to consumers using the free platform or the other operating systems for one company to take over community development of a secondary system (NM) which utilizes a core system (ifupdown's $PHASE, also can be utilized by other secondary network managers), and then leverage that development to disenfranchise them from their products of choice. > -- Why is it that all of the instruments seeking > intelligent life in the universe are pointed away from > Earth? Because they haven't detected higher-dimensional gravity reverberation transmissions, so they don't know to look? Mark -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
