> From: m...@linux.it (Marco d'Itri) > > From: k...@heavycomputing.ca (Ken Chase) > > Anyone who is wired to a network already will confusingly not be able to use > > PPP at all. This is a more serious bug than normal priority. The person who
> People will need to RTFM, yes. Yes they will and this will keep them from using the simplest functions in debian like plugging in a DSL modem and expecting things to work. If we want Debian to have a larger user share, stuff that wastes 20 minutes of my time as a 10 year user of debian and hours of their time (til they just give up and go back to windows) is not a good PR policy. It's a simple fix here. > > Not sure of the rationale behind the code as it is now - most ppp client > > boxen > It's called "security". You cant have it both ways. Either they're sophisticated enough to be able to understand documentation and edit an /etc config file and there by not need someone to hold their hand for security/firewalling -OR- they're NOT sophisticated unix nerds and they deserve security and also to not have to futz with unix documentation and learn how to use vi. I have offices full of people on Debian now doing regular desktop work on them - they're not unix nerds, thank god and finally after all these years. Some of them want Debian on their laptops - but this kind of problem will make them give up quickly. This brand of incremental snobbism over minimal unix competency to be allowed to use debian is what has kept it from wider and quicker adoption. No wonder Ubuntu had to be created, to surmount this -- I like debian, there's no good reason it has to become Ubuntu. It CAN become more usable by the general public and thereby maintain a long term viability as a useful and widely used operating system. Yes 1000s of these tiny decisions about what kind of minimum configuration skill is required to use each package add up to a usable Debian or one for unix nerds only. The issue at hand is a perfect example of the place to make that kind of choice for Debian as a whole. /kc -- Ken Chase - k...@heavycomputing.ca - +1 416 897 6284 Heavy Computing - Clued managed LAMP*/VPS hosting @151 Front St. W Toronto -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
