Hi,

just as an addition to this year old bug. I have seen this happening
myself with GPRS connections which sometimes happen to not reply lcp
echo requests. This is a CLEAR violation of RFC1661 and your provider
is to blame not ppp. Typically lcp echo request/reply is a good thing to
do to detect a hung/dead line and the pppd to disconnect and probably to
redial/hang up. As a Carrier Network Staff member i have seen commercial
RAS boxes using up all their resources due to the lack of lcp echos and
non detected hung DSL sessions.

The claim "the user will notice that the line's down anyway, when he
won't be able to get any traffic accross" is bogus as its of no help
if you are on the wrong side of the link (Physically) and cant reach
your homebox because it has not detected the failed link and redialled.

Here is a excerpt from RFC1661 http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1661.txt

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5.8.  Echo-Request and Echo-Reply

   Description

      LCP includes Echo-Request and Echo-Reply Codes in order to provide
      a Data Link Layer loopback mechanism for use in exercising both
      directions of the link.  This is useful as an aid in debugging,
      link quality determination, performance testing, and for numerous
      other functions.

      Upon reception of an Echo-Request in the LCP Opened state, an
      Echo-Reply MUST be transmitted.

      Echo-Request and Echo-Reply packets MUST only be sent in the LCP
      Opened state.  Echo-Request and Echo-Reply packets received in any
      state other than the LCP Opened state SHOULD be silently
      discarded.

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Sending LCP Echo Requests is a "Good thing to do".

Flo
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