On Thu 14 Aug 2008, Jamie Zawinski wrote:

>> Hmm, it does; but the delay is just long enough to be irritating, but
>> just short enough that it almoast takes me longer to reach for the  
>> mouse
>> and click. If the message disappears just before I click, I might end 
>> up
>> closing a window or so if I'm unlucky enough to click the X...
>
> Well, I can make the delay shorter, but then I'm not sure it'll be up  
> long enough to notice/read...

As I suggested, make it configurable.

>> The timeout is implemented within the xscreensaver code, right?
>> So surely xscreensaver "knows" whether there's a timeout. Hence it can
>> act appropriately in such a case. I'd have thought that the PAM stuff
>> would only be accessed after the user hits enter, so PAM shouldn't be
>> involved unless it was a real login attempt. At least, that's how I
>> would have programmed it...
>
> Unfortunately, PAM doesn't work that way.  To authenticate, you drop  
[snip PAM desc]

Hmm, you're right, PAM sucks :)

>> Anyways, I'm sure the warning message is put there by xscreensaver.
>
> Sure.  But if we assume for the moment that the message does have merit 
> for the case where someone really did type the wrong password, there's no 
> way to tell the difference between that and "didn't try".

I remember now that the message used to be displayed inside the password
prompt window in earlier versions. That was a *lot* better than the
current behaviour. And what's wrong with letting someone (who knows how
to read the manpage) configure that window away?

> Also, those incorrect attempts are logged in syslog too.

That doens't interfere directly with me interactively, so I don't care
about that.


Paul



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