On Tue, Jan 30, 2007 at 01:07:13AM -0500, Eric Dorland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> * Matt Zimmerman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > On Mon, Jan 29, 2007 at 07:51:31AM +0100, Mike Hommey wrote:
> > > On Sun, Jan 28, 2007 at 07:50:00PM -0500, Michael Gilbert <[EMAIL 
> > > PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > severity 408460 wishlist
> > > > thanks
> > > > 
> > > > On 1/26/07, Mike Hommey wrote:
> > > > >A workaround for this would be to set MOZ_DISABLE_PANGO. See the
> > > > >/usr/doc/share/iceweasel/README.Debian file.
> > > > 
> > > > this behavior can be annoying to the user.  would it be possible to
> > > > automatically set this option based on the language?  for example,
> > > > only use pango for those languages that have rendering issues without
> > > > pango.
> > > 
> > > Ubuntu does this, based on the user locale, and I think this is a very
> > > bad idea. The user locale is not necessarily related to the language
> > > used in the pages the user will look at.
> > 
> > No, but it is our best approximation of whether that locale is especially
> > important to the user (which isn't an especially good one).  It is trivial
> > for a power user to override this if it guesses incorrectly.
> 
> The other issue is one of surprise. A weird side effect of installing
> a locale will be that Firefox suddenly behaves differently and the
> connection will be completely non-obvious to the user.
>  
> > > I also heard activating EXA instead of XAA in the X configuration
> > > improved the performance.
> > 
> > Do you have a reference for this which we could follow up?  I agree that the
> > current Ubuntu solution isn't ideal, but it was unacceptable for performance
> > to be as poor as it was for very common use cases.
> 
> It really is a crappy situation, with both Pango and non-Pango
> renderers being broken in their own special ways. I wonder if any work
> is being done at speeding up Pango? Or is it Firefox's use of Pango
> that's to blame? 

Firefox's use of Pango is to blame. Other gnome applications are not
that slow to display text, though contrary to all bug reporters I don't
find Firefox particularly slow...
That will hopefully change when they'll use the cairo backend.

Mike



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