> [rant] > The bottom line: I guess the DEBIAN community has really not changed it's > attitude over the YEARS if your post is an example of what I can expect in > terms of help. I went out of my way to DIAGNOSE a problem and ask about help > in resolving it. I do HARDWARE real well, not SOFTWARE. The creation of the > X-MP and Y-MP systems are good examples of that. I cut my teeth on UNIX SVR4 > and remember what a nightmare it was to get X running.
I see nothing in Frans Pop mail that was anything but trying to help you to be on the right way solving your problems. In your general rant, you seem to forget about an interesting characteristic of the Debian community: it is a community of volunteers (please note that I took care to avoid shouting the way you seem to like). You cannot expect volunteers to be ready to help you without any effort from your side. What you "can expect in terms of help" is what a volunteer is ready to give you from his free time "in terms of help". There are many contractors who would be delighted to assist you setting up your servers, in case you're missing the needed experience for this. If I remember correctly, the Debian web site includes a page with such contacts in many countries. In that case and in that case only you could "expect help" and rant about not getting it. > I have FOUR Proliant systems which are used as PERSONAL systems. That gives > me time to play with different distros and look at the + and - of each. > The GENERAL community looks at DEBIAN as a PITA to configure and point to it > as an example as to why M$ products are better. Is that the attitude you want > DEBIAN to maintain? > Mark S. has created what appears to be a POLISHED DEBIAN based " product " > THAT WORKS WELL OUT OF THE BOX!! You might maybe be interested to learn that Ubuntu is built on....the Debian installer and actually at least one major contributor of the Ubuntu development is also one of the major contributors of the Debian Installer team. Ubuntu made compromises about the freeness of software (including device drivers) that Debian will not make (please read about the Debian Social Contract for detailed reasons). That may very well explain what you encoutered when you tried to install Debian on your servers. > UBUNTU even offers a working implementation of Edgy Eft for a COMPAQ server! > ETCH had a problem and I thought I could help out. ( There are many PROLIANT > 3000 systems still out in the SERVER world ) I guess I was mistaken. > I resolved my problem by installing KUBUNTU/UBUNTU Server packages. The best > of BOTH worlds. High level tools to get the job done. Now on to > CLUSTERKNOPPIX and some SUPERCOMPUTER design.... > You can close this bug report out if you wish, but from MY viewpoint, there > are SEVERAL problems that need to be addressed. I suggest that this rant be > kicked up to the people who complained about PAYING people to " finish " a > DEBIAN " product ". > [/rant] This rant was inappropriate. Period. You're not talking to some slaves of yours, Sir, even with your so incredibly experience of computers that seems to come back from a period of history where both you and I were carving bytes in stone. PS: you might want to check the status of the key called "Caps Lock" on your keyboard (this is the key left to the "A" key). It seems that it has some jerky behaviour that makes it lock for some long period of time and be unlocked by your "Space" key. In a volunteer community, that key is more generally disabled to avoid any high raise of the community's blood pressure.
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