Hello,

On Mon, Mar 24, 2025 at 04:55:20PM +0100, Uwe Kleine-König wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 21, 2025 at 06:43:19PM +0100, Uwe Kleine-König wrote:
> > Package: gnupg
> > Version: 2.2.46-5
> > Severity: normal
> > X-Debbugs-Cc: uklei...@debian.org
> > 
> > Hello,
> > 
> >     uwe@taurus:~$ keyringgpghome="$(mktemp -d)"
> > 
> >     uwe@taurus:~$ gpg --homedir "$keyringgpghome" --locate-external-key 
> > tgamb...@baylibre.com u.kleine-koe...@baylibre.com
> >     gpg: keybox '/tmp/tmp.U5pMuWLasg/pubring.kbx' created
> >     gpg: /tmp/tmp.U5pMuWLasg/trustdb.gpg: trustdb created
> >     gpg: key E2DCDD9132669BD6: public key "Uwe Kleine-König 
> > <u.kleine-koe...@baylibre.com>" imported
> >     gpg: Total number processed: 1
> >     gpg:               imported: 1
> >     gpg: no ultimately trusted keys found
> >     gpg: key B0D589D46708EC99: public key "Trevor Gamblin 
> > <tgamb...@baylibre.com>" imported
> >     gpg: Total number processed: 1
> >     gpg:               imported: 1
> >     gpg: no ultimately trusted keys found
> >     pub   rsa4096 2010-06-15 [SC] [expires: 2027-06-21]
> >           0D2511F322BFAB1C1580266BE2DCDD9132669BD6
> >     uid           [ unknown] Uwe Kleine-König <u.kleine-koe...@baylibre.com>
> >     sub   rsa2048 2023-03-17 [A] [expires: 2027-06-21]
> >     sub   rsa2048 2023-03-17 [S] [expires: 2027-06-21]
> >     sub   rsa2048 2023-03-17 [E] [expires: 2027-06-21]
> > 
> >     pub   rsa4096 2024-11-19 [C] [expires: 2026-11-19]
> >           A3A9D4BDAB1069811F48D30EB0D589D46708EC99
> >     uid           [ unknown] Trevor Gamblin <tgamb...@baylibre.com>
> >     sub   cv25519 2024-11-19 [E]
> >     sub   ed25519 2024-11-19 [S]
> >     sub   ed25519 2024-11-19 [A]
> > 
> >     uwe@taurus:~$ gpg --homedir "$keyringgpghome" --list-sigs --with-colon 
> > E2DCDD9132669BD6 | grep -E '(^pub|^uid|B0D589D46708EC99)'
> >     
> > pub:-:4096:1:E2DCDD9132669BD6:1276614694:1813572000::-:::scESCA::::::23:1742578410:4:
> >     uid:-::::1739887646::7E218F31504E286A852C2E05459BA0DC22FF34AE::Uwe 
> > Kleine-König <u.kleine-koe...@baylibre.com>:::::::::1742578410:4 
> > https\x3a//openpgpkey.baylibre.com:
> >     sig:::1:B0D589D46708EC99:1732894509::::Trevor Gamblin 
> > <tgamb...@baylibre.com>:10x::A3A9D4BDAB1069811F48D30EB0D589D46708EC99:::10:
> > 
> > So my key E2DCDD9132669BD6 has a signature by Trevor's key.
> > 
> >     uwe@taurus:~$ gpg --homedir "$keyringgpghome" --edit-key 
> > E2DCDD9132669BD6 clean save
> >     gpg (GnuPG) 2.2.46; Copyright (C) 2024 g10 Code GmbH
> >     This is free software: you are free to change and redistribute it.
> >     There is NO WARRANTY, to the extent permitted by law.
> > 
> > 
> >     pub  rsa4096/E2DCDD9132669BD6
> >          created: 2010-06-15  expires: 2027-06-21  usage: SC
> >          trust: unknown       validity: unknown
> >     The following key was revoked on 2023-03-17 by RSA key E2DCDD9132669BD6 
> > Uwe Kleine-König <u.kleine-koe...@baylibre.com>
> >     sub  rsa2048/DB334D9FBE6A05BF
> >          created: 2015-01-11  revoked: 2023-03-17  usage: A
> >     The following key was revoked on 2015-01-11 by RSA key E2DCDD9132669BD6 
> > Uwe Kleine-König <u.kleine-koe...@baylibre.com>
> >     sub  rsa4096/3C3A2D28B94A2928
> >          created: 2010-06-15  revoked: 2015-01-11  usage: E
> >     The following key was revoked on 2023-03-17 by RSA key E2DCDD9132669BD6 
> > Uwe Kleine-König <u.kleine-koe...@baylibre.com>
> >     sub  rsa2048/C1FC1478ADCAEC09
> >          created: 2015-01-11  revoked: 2023-03-17  usage: S
> >     sub  rsa2048/B29A43280A6EF95B
> >          created: 2023-03-17  expires: 2027-06-21  usage: A
> >     sub  rsa2048/8F80FB587D12FE4E
> >          created: 2023-03-17  expires: 2027-06-21  usage: S
> >     sub  rsa2048/120E75698E64909B
> >          created: 2023-03-17  expires: 2027-06-21  usage: E
> >     The following key was revoked on 2023-03-17 by RSA key E2DCDD9132669BD6 
> > Uwe Kleine-König <u.kleine-koe...@baylibre.com>
> >     sub  rsa2048/F2FF566A57C91BC7
> >          created: 2015-01-11  revoked: 2023-03-17  usage: E
> >     [ unknown] (1). Uwe Kleine-König <u.kleine-koe...@baylibre.com>
> > 
> >     User ID "Uwe Kleine-König <u.kleine-koe...@baylibre.com>": 7 signatures 
> > removed
> > 
> >     pub  rsa4096/E2DCDD9132669BD6
> >          created: 2010-06-15  expires: 2027-06-21  usage: SC
> >          trust: unknown       validity: unknown
> >     The following key was revoked on 2023-03-17 by RSA key E2DCDD9132669BD6 
> > Uwe Kleine-König <u.kleine-koe...@baylibre.com>
> >     sub  rsa2048/DB334D9FBE6A05BF
> >          created: 2015-01-11  revoked: 2023-03-17  usage: A
> >     The following key was revoked on 2015-01-11 by RSA key E2DCDD9132669BD6 
> > Uwe Kleine-König <u.kleine-koe...@baylibre.com>
> >     sub  rsa4096/3C3A2D28B94A2928
> >          created: 2010-06-15  revoked: 2015-01-11  usage: E
> >     The following key was revoked on 2023-03-17 by RSA key E2DCDD9132669BD6 
> > Uwe Kleine-König <u.kleine-koe...@baylibre.com>
> >     sub  rsa2048/C1FC1478ADCAEC09
> >          created: 2015-01-11  revoked: 2023-03-17  usage: S
> >     sub  rsa2048/B29A43280A6EF95B
> >          created: 2023-03-17  expires: 2027-06-21  usage: A
> >     sub  rsa2048/8F80FB587D12FE4E
> >          created: 2023-03-17  expires: 2027-06-21  usage: S
> >     sub  rsa2048/120E75698E64909B
> >          created: 2023-03-17  expires: 2027-06-21  usage: E
> >     The following key was revoked on 2023-03-17 by RSA key E2DCDD9132669BD6 
> > Uwe Kleine-König <u.kleine-koe...@baylibre.com>
> >     sub  rsa2048/F2FF566A57C91BC7
> >          created: 2015-01-11  revoked: 2023-03-17  usage: E
> >     [ unknown] (1). Uwe Kleine-König <u.kleine-koe...@baylibre.com>
> > 
> >     uwe@taurus:~$ gpg --homedir "$keyringgpghome" --list-sigs --with-colon 
> > E2DCDD9132669BD6 | grep -E '(^pub|^uid|B0D589D46708EC99)'
> >     
> > pub:-:4096:1:E2DCDD9132669BD6:1276614694:1813572000::-:::scESCA::::::23:1742578410:4:
> >     uid:-::::1739887646::7E218F31504E286A852C2E05459BA0DC22FF34AE::Uwe 
> > Kleine-König <u.kleine-koe...@baylibre.com>:::::::::1742578410:4 
> > https\x3a//openpgpkey.baylibre.com:
> > 
> > So "clean"ing my key removed Trevor's signature.
> 
> To expand the set of affected sample data: If you do the above and import the
> keys for
>       u.kleine-koe...@baylibre.com
>       khil...@baylibre.com
>       mkorpersh...@baylibre.com
>       dlech...@baylibre.com
>       tgamb...@baylibre.com
> 
> cleaning the first four keys removes (only) all the signatures by Trevor.
> 
> The kernel pgp keyring has some more examples it seems:
> 
>       git clone https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/docs/kernel/pgpkeys.git
>       cd pgpkeys
>       keyringgpghome="$(mktemp -d)"
>       gpg --homedir "$keyringgpghome" --import keys/*.asc
>       gpg --homedir "$keyringgpghome" --export > keyring-2.2.46
>       gpg --homedir "$keyringgpghome" --export --export-options export-clean 
> > keyring-2.2.46-clean
> 
> and repeating the same with gpg 2.2.45, I get:
> 
>       $ ls -lS keyring-*
>       -rw-rw-r-- 1 uwe uwe  8705354 Mar 24 16:39 keyring-2.2.45
>       -rw-rw-r-- 1 uwe uwe  8705354 Mar 24 16:37 keyring-2.2.46
>       -rw-rw-r-- 1 uwe uwe  8199427 Mar 24 16:40 keyring-2.2.45-clean
>       -rw-rw-r-- 1 uwe uwe  8162407 Mar 24 16:37 keyring-2.2.46-clean
> 
> The cleaned keyring exported by 2.2.46 is considerably smaller, so
> 2.2.46 cleaned more aggressively. Looking at the output of
> 
>       diff -u <(gpg --list-packets keyring-2.2.45-clean | grep "issuer key" | 
> sort) <(gpg --list-packets keyring-2.2.46-clean | grep "issuer key" | sort)
> 
> there are differences in both directions (i.e. signatures that are only
> removed by 2.2.45 and others that are only removed by 2.2.46). At least
> that is my interpretation given there are + and - lines. I didn't try to
> inspect the data to judge for each difference which version of gnupg is
> correct.

JFTR: I did check some of the ones that gpg 2.2.45 removed. All but

 pub:-:4064:1:26BCFA05FCF60E4C:1464562073:1779922073::-:::scESC::::::::0:
 fpr:::::::::95C62D2248EE0D8A44C3D3B426BCFA05FCF60E4C:
 uid:-::::1727161650::90AF1B0CCF60A66F8C25A9779B5F6580A67B72CE::Marek Behún 
<ka...@kernel.org>::::::::::0:
-sig:::1:26BCFA05FCF60E4C:1663342750::::Marek Behún 
<ka...@kernel.org>:13x::95C62D2248EE0D8A44C3D3B426BCFA05FCF60E4C:::8:
 sig:::1:26BCFA05FCF60E4C:1727161650::::Marek Behún 
<ka...@kernel.org>:13x::95C62D2248EE0D8A44C3D3B426BCFA05FCF60E4C:::10:
 uid:-::::1727161645::6021E246B2D94BF22E0DF15A8BD6E73079859DC0::Marek Behun 
<ka...@blackhole.sk>::::::::::0:
-sig:::1:26BCFA05FCF60E4C:1556565206::::Marek Behún 
<ka...@kernel.org>:13x::95C62D2248EE0D8A44C3D3B426BCFA05FCF60E4C:::8:
-sig:::1:BD6A501CB78B7C26:1556571913::::Jacek Anaszewski 
<jacek.anaszew...@gmail.com>:10x::BF1DFC0A568F05F795757090BD6A501CB78B7C26:::8:
 sig:::1:26BCFA05FCF60E4C:1727161645::::Marek Behún 
<ka...@kernel.org>:13x::95C62D2248EE0D8A44C3D3B426BCFA05FCF60E4C:::10:
 uid:-::::1556564998::3D89AAFC785B5B4E4D125A8D9DD223C8ACCB21FD::Marek Behún 
<marek.be...@nic.cz>::::::::::0:
 sig:::1:26BCFA05FCF60E4C:1556564998::::Marek Behún 
<ka...@kernel.org>:13x::95C62D2248EE0D8A44C3D3B426BCFA05FCF60E4C:::8:
 sub:-:4064:1:B81F800D3C7D948E:1464562073:1779922073:::::e:::::::
 fpr:::::::::CA49A590D97148D89162602CB81F800D3C7D948E:
 sig:::1:26BCFA05FCF60E4C:1464562073::::Marek Behún 
<ka...@kernel.org>:18x:::::8:

(The lines marked with - are dropped by cleaning with 2.2.45-2)

I do understand (drops signatures of expired keys, all but the newest
self-sig). Here I fail to see why Jacek's signature is removed. I
guess it is related to the key having validity '-' and so the signatures
on it are unusable and so dropped. (Why this key isn't valid however is
a mystery to me.)

Best regards
Uwe

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