Hi, Am 22. März 2025 10:17:46 MEZ schrieb Andreas Tille <ti...@debian.org>: >I'd also like to stress that due to my other tasks I'm not regularly >reading this list - feel free to ping me more hardly than in simple list >replies.
My reply to the blends list was not to only contact you personally, I guessed there are more blends people? I would not consume leader's time, when not strictly needed. > >Am Fri, Mar 07, 2025 at 11:04:35PM +0100 schrieb Holger Wansing: >> >> d3v...@tutanota.com wrote at Sat, 29 Jul 2023: >> > Package: tasksel >> > Version: 3.73 >> > >> > There are tasksel tasks that >> > 1. The command "tasksel --list-tasks" does not list. >> > 2. They do not show either in the task description file >> > "/usr/share/tasksel/descs/debian-tasks.desc" >> > >> > Some examples are the tasks "science-tasks", "electronic-tasks", >> > "education-tasks", and quite a few more: >> > https://packages.debian.org/search?suite=bookworm§ion=all&arch=any&searchon=all&keywords=tasksel >> > https://packages.debian.org/search?suite=bookworm§ion=all&arch=any&searchon=names&keywords=live-task- >> > >> > Despite all this, tasksel can actually install them: for instance, >> > "tasksel -t install science-tasks". >> >> [ Adding debian-blends mailinglist to the loop ] >> >> >> The first packages.d.o link from above lists these packages (amongst others): >> >> pan-tasks: PAN Blends tasks for tasksel >> >> electronics-tasks: Debian Electronics tasks for tasksel >> >> science-tasks: Debian Science tasks for tasksel >> >> multimedia-tasks: Debian Multimedia tasks for tasksel >> >> junior-tasks: Debian Jr. tasks for tasksel >> >> games-tasks: Debian Games tasks for tasksel >> >> debichem-tasks: DebiChem tasks for tasksel >> >> gis-tasks: Debian GIS tasks for tasksel >> >> med-tasks: Debian Med tasks for tasksel >> >> education-tasks: Debian Edu tasks for tasksel >> >> fbx-tasks: FreedomBox tasks for tasksel >> >> astro-tasks: Debian Astronomy Pure Blend (tasksel tasks) >> >> hamradio-tasks: Debian Hamradio Tasks >> >> blends-tasks: Debian Pure Blends tasks for new installations > >I think the last one does not really fit into that list. All others >are providing tasksel support for the according blend > >> These look to me as an early attempt, to allow blends installation from >> our debian-installer (via tasksel). Is this correct? > >I do not think that the initial idea was debian-installer support. >However, it might be perfectly usalbe for this as well. > >> Since there is a (new) working mechanism for this approach now (via >> blendsel [1]), the above packages might be no longer needed? >> >> Or are they still used? > >I *personally* do not use these. Unfortunately we can't really know >since we have no direct from our users. Do you think these packages are >creating any harm if these are just available? Not apart from the confusion mentioned below, which can also be seen in the fact, that this bug was filed. >> In every case, this approach now might be irritating, since it is based >> on tasksel, while the new mechanism works via the new blendsel (so >> completely independent from tasksel) ... > >That's a valid point, thought, > >> I was not aware of these packages, when I developed blendsel, BTW. > >Do you have any suggestion what should be changed? The meta packages mentioned above cannot be installed via tasksel's UI, and thus we cannot install the blends via tasksel in the debian-installer. So, you can only install them with tasksel via 'tasksel -t install <name>'. Therefore there is no difference against using 'apt install <name>': you need to know the metapackage name, and you have use a console command. So users don't need the tasksel way, and they don't need above packages at all. Instead, we should advise users to use 'apt install'. On d.o/blends the name of all blends' metapackages are mentioned. Maybe we could also mention the *-all metapackages, for the case, that people want to install all the metapackages for a blend? (That would be the same as installing a blend via blendsel in debian-installer, since blendsel is relying on exactly those *-all metapackages, like science-all or med-all.) Holger -- Sent from /e/ OS on Fairphone3
