Package: mate-themes Severity: normal Tags: trixie sid mate-themes depends on gtk2-engines, gtk2-engines-murrine and gtk2-engines-pixbuf, which pull in the rest of GTK 2. GTK 2 is dead upstream, and apps that use it are gradually being ported to GTK 3 or removed (in particular we finally have a GTK-3-based version of gimp in unstable).
A fresh installation of trixie with MATE, using debian-installer, doesn't seem to include any GTK 2 apps any more. Is it time to remove GTK 2 themes from mate-themes? It is one of only two packages outside debian-installer that pull in gtk2-engines (the other is lxdm, which it seems doesn't actually need GTK 2 any more either). Or, if there is still value in having the GTK 2 themes, perhaps they could be moved to a new mate-themes-gtk2 or mate-themes-legacy package that would not need to be in a default installation of MATE, with mate-themes only having a Suggests on the new package? GNOME hasn't used GTK 2 for years, so it isn't really sustainable to expect the GNOME team to continue to carry responsibility for it forever. After the trixie release I hope to get the graphical debian-installer ported to GTK 3, which is the main thing keeping GTK 2 release-critical at the moment. Thanks, smcv