Package: mate-themes
Severity: normal
Tags: trixie sid

mate-themes depends on gtk2-engines, gtk2-engines-murrine and
gtk2-engines-pixbuf, which pull in the rest of GTK 2. GTK 2 is dead
upstream, and apps that use it are gradually being ported to GTK 3
or removed (in particular we finally have a GTK-3-based version of gimp
in unstable).

A fresh installation of trixie with MATE, using debian-installer,
doesn't seem to include any GTK 2 apps any more. Is it time to remove
GTK 2 themes from mate-themes? It is one of only two packages outside
debian-installer that pull in gtk2-engines (the other is lxdm, which it
seems doesn't actually need GTK 2 any more either).

Or, if there is still value in having the GTK 2 themes, perhaps they
could be moved to a new mate-themes-gtk2 or mate-themes-legacy package
that would not need to be in a default installation of MATE, with
mate-themes only having a Suggests on the new package?

GNOME hasn't used GTK 2 for years, so it isn't really sustainable to
expect the GNOME team to continue to carry responsibility for it forever.
After the trixie release I hope to get the graphical debian-installer
ported to GTK 3, which is the main thing keeping GTK 2 release-critical
at the moment.

Thanks,
    smcv

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