Hi, I second Adam Borowski in
On Fri, 21 Apr 2017 13:19:56 +0200 Adam Borowski <kilob...@angband.pl> wrote: > Hi! > Could you please reconsider this wontfix? It's been over ten years since > you made this decision, and I think Debian has changed since. Not being > told about a RC bug in your own package is a severe issue, and requiring > an explicit subscription for something that usually works is not a thing > one would think of or remember. The concept of Uploaders is no longer a > novelty it was at the time. > > The only reason given is "there's no way to opt out". But there is! > > sed "/Uploaders:/ s/[A-Za-z0-9 ]*<$EMAIL>,?//" -i debian/control > > I fail to see what business one has being an Uploader without being > interested in bugs in that package. Policy 5.6.3 states the Uploaders field is > List of the names and email addresses of co-maintainers of the package, if any. Thus an uploader *is* a maintainer, just not the principle one. And maintainers ought to monitor bug reports. On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 23:50:55 -0700 Don Armstrong <d...@donarmstrong.com> wrote: > tag 397761 wontfix > thanks > > On Fri, 10 Nov 2006, Marcus Better wrote: > > > If the maintainer is not given as a mailing list, then the uploaders > > > should all subscribe to the PTS for a given package. > > > > Agreed, but considering human nature, I think people forget to take this > > extra step, or are unaware of it. (Not sure if it's even explicitly stated > > anywhere). > > It should be stated in the developers reference, but I'm not sure if > it is or not. > > > So the development process would probably benefit if this could be > > enforced. Perhaps it could happen by default, and then people could > > opt out? > > The problem is that if I start sending mails to Uploaders: in addition > to the Maintainer, there is no way to opt out of it. > > It's far easier to subscribe to the pts and unsubscribe if Maintainer > is not a list. [It should at least be an address that goes to a real > person.] In the Rust team it's far more difficult because there are thousands of packages, each of us being the Uploaders of tens of them on average, so it's quite cumbersome to subscribe to their PTS, and more easily forgotten on first uploads. It's an unfortunate consequence of lowered barrier upstream that introduced an order of magnitude more packages than 15 years ago. Current team maintenance practice sets the Maintainer field to a team address, which effectively means all team maintained packages have their bug reports sent to it. Because of the sheer number of packages in the Rust team, their Maintainer field is left to be pkg-rust-maintain...@alioth-lists.debian.net, while discussions happen on debian-r...@lists.debian.org. Changing Maintainer to point to the latter would flood the list and our inboxes with upload result emails. It might be feasible to direct submitters to X-Debbugs-Cc: the latter, but that requires prior knowledge, while those without still become unnoticed. I imagine this is a common problem in teams that practice team maintenance and own a rather large number of packages. As Adam said, things have changed. Please reconsider the wontfix. -- Sdrager, Blair Noctis
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