Hi,

On Mon, 2023-10-30 at 17:39 +0700, Max Nikulin wrote:
> On 30/10/2023 10:28, Osamu Aoki wrote:
> > On Thu, 2023-09-21 at 21:56 +0700, Max Nikulin wrote:
> > > On 18/09/2023 20:12, Osamu Aoki wrote:
> > > > 
> > > >      APT::Default-Release "testing";
> > > > 
> > > > I think this don't drive people to set this to "stable" as much.
> > > 
> > >   From my point of view it is a bit better, but hardly noticeable. And it
> > > is still misleading for Debian users since testing has security updates
> > > as well, thus not so trivial regexp is preferred. apt.conf(5) has more
> > > examples, but neither of them is close to what might be used in real life:
> > 
> > Although, repository for testing security updates exists, it is hardly used
> > in
> > practice.
> 
> I feel some kind of miscommunication here. I was trying to say that
> 
>      APT::Default-Release "stable";
> 
> prevents updates from stable-security (bookworm-security). 

Yes, I know that is what you said.

"APT::Default-Release "testing";" is my initial improvement suggestion with
minimal change.

> This 
> repository is rather important, it is configured by installer, it is 
> mentioned in various docs, e.g.
> https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch02.en.html#_debian_archive_basics

That is this document (my debian-reference) before this fix.

My comment was aimed at upstream APT manpage or elsewhere outside of my control
where I can't control.

> deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security bookworm-security main 
> non-free-firmware contrib non-free
> 
> I would not call it "hardly used".

I am talking about testing-security being hardly used.

>  I agree that testing-security 
> repository is currently empty, but I assume, it may not be so during 
> late freeze stages. Moreover, having example for "testing", users may 
> try to blindly apply it for "stable".

Release team has been saying not to expect testing-security to be used (with
developer resource limitation etc.)

If you care such risk, please use stable platform.

> > Updated text:
> > 
> >     The target release archive can be set by the command line option, e.g.,
> > "apt-get
> >     install -t testing some-package"
> 
> Thank you for improving of the docs. I consider the issue as fixed.


Good.

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