Control: tags -1 wontfix thanks Since setting to im-config "xim" was user action, its consequences are none of our business. Gunnar, I will set this as wontfix.
Brian, zoom is non-free external program. Neovim-GTK seems to be your locally compiled package, they are not good examples of issues to be fixed. I do understand new GTK4 may complain as warning if you set GTK_IMMODULE to xim. So please just don't do it. On Fri, 2023-10-27 at 21:18 +0900, Osamu Aoki wrote: > Hi, > > Let's not repeat our discussion on im-config by discussing how ZOOM (external > to > Debian with poor record to provide proper dependencies in its deb package > despite our advise to correct it) interacts with Debian default settings. > > Having said it, I still think it is worth discussing how im-config should set > environment variables in near future especially with how wayland is getting > its > popularity. > > Please read notable links on this topics first: > > * Input Method Hub -- > - https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wayland/wayland-protocols/-/issues/39 > * Wayland and input methods -- wayland-protocol description > - https://dorotac.eu/posts/input_method/ > * Using Fcitx 5 on Wayland -- view by fcitx community > - https://fcitx-im.org/wiki/Using_Fcitx_5_on_Wayland > * about Input Method wayland protocols #2331 -- view by ibus maintainer > - https://github.com/ibus/ibus/issues/2331 > * New ideas using Wayland Input Methods -- view by QT people? August 3, 2023 > - > https://blog.davidedmundson.co.uk/blog/new-ideas-using-wayland-input-methods/ > > I don't understand all the details but this topic for input method in wayland > seems to be very much in development phase as of October/2023. I think it is > worth tracking this technical development. > > Most interesting part was: "Do we still need XMODIFIERS, GTK_IM_MODULE and > QT_IM_MODULE?" --> For XMODIFIERS, yes, we do. X11 application running under > X11 > and XWayland has nearly no difference. > > Let me comment on this bug report. > > On Fri, 2023-10-27 at 00:17 +0000, brian m. carlson wrote: > > On 2023-10-26 at 22:51:19, Gunnar Hjalmarsson wrote: > > > On 2023-10-26 23:51, brian m. carlson wrote: > > > > I have a system with Zoom installed, which necessitates installing > > > > ibus, which I don't want to use (because it overrides my shortcut > > > > keys without consent). Thus, the advice I've received is to install > > > > im-config and use to set the module to "xim". > > Have you read the previous bug report thoroughly before posting this. > Specifically: > * https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=988540 > > > > That's bad advice. Where did you get it? > > Setting to "xim" was only mentioned by the bug reporter and we corrected it as > bad idea and promoted to use "none". > > > > Don't set it to "xim", set it to "none" instead, which means that im- > > > config > > > does not touch any environment variables (and does not launch ibus- > > > daemon). > > > > I believe I got it when I filed a bug report on ibus about some bug > > where it affected my input in some way. I don't recall, since it's been > > some time. > > > > I don't think, given that GTK+ 4 is used for a wide variety of > > > > software in Debian, that it's safe to set GTK_IM_MODULE to "xim" > > > > anymore, and im-config needs to not do that. > > Please present links to support your technical references. > > By the way, the GTK+ was used for only up to version 3. I think its name is > now > GTK4 library. > > > > Your observation is not a sufficient reason to conclude that "xim" is > > > never > > > useful and should be removed as an option. im-config does not set that > > > option automatically, but only if the user chooses it explicitly. In your > > > case due to a bad advice. ;) > > > > > > So I'm inclined to close this bug as a "wontfix", but await possible > > > further > > > input on the matter. > > I agree. > > > > I'd argue that setting any environment variables that make programs > > scream to the terminal is not okay. I'm fine with im-config setting any > > value that doesn't do that. > > Since wiki page https://wiki.debian.org/Keyboard is referenced in > README.Debian > of im-config, I updated this wiki page to make it easier to find this proper > work around. > > https://wiki.debian.org/Keyboard#IM_framework_disabled_case_.28XKB.29 > > Regards, > > Osamu >
