>>>>> "Russ" == Russ Allbery <r...@debian.org> writes:
>> I have not come to the TC to ask them to overrule the maintainer
>> frivolously nor before exploring as many other options as I
>> could.
Russ> I understand (oh, boy, do I ever) how strained relationships
Russ> are after the long-running init system battles, but it's very
Russ> hard to resolve problems without the TC when one of the
Russ> parties is unwilling to communicate. There have been a lot of
Russ> other hostile and aggressive threads about init system issues,
Russ> but this specific bug is not one of them as far as I can tell.
Russ> I don't want to force anyone into communicating when they
Russ> don't want to (general rule 2.1.1), but then I think they need
Russ> to welcome NMUs or a co-maintainer who can deal with the
Russ> things they don't want to have to think about or *something*.
Russ> This kind of silent treatment is really demoralizing to other
Russ> people in the project who are not at fault for any of the
Russ> historical init system hostility.
I'd like to second Russ's analysis here. I was DPL during a chunk of
the relevant time, and was not able to get communication happening even
when relevant parties (Mark in particular) were being constructive.
I totally understand being burned out on the issue of init systems.
I totally understand being a maintainer who doesn't want to deal with
that.
I think the solution Russ proposes is right in that situation: find
someone you trust to NMU or act as a co-maintainer to move things
forward.
I think it is entirely reasonable for the TC to consider factors like
whether a maintainer is willing to do that.
Yeah, it sucks when we override a maintainer.
Yes, that's demotivating.
So is creating a situation where people who are being constructive
cannot even engage.
It's one thing to engage with a maintainer and have them consider your
arguments and disagree.
It's another thing entirely when people are trying to work
constructively within the spirit of a GR that we as a community passed
and cannot even get their contributions considered.
That drives people away and discourages Debian from growing.
I don't think we want that culture.
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