On Sun, 03 Jan 2021 14:44:56 +0100, Helmut Grohne wrote: > On Sat, Jan 02, 2021 at 05:14:45PM +0100, gregor herrmann wrote: > > BTW, your debdiffs never apply, as the packages evolve in git. E.g. > > the perl-xs-dev dependency is already added, and we make also other > > mass changes, and then the Debian janitor also comes along. > That's useful info and it wasn't obvious to me. Thank you for telling.
You're welcome. > > That's no big deal, I just look at your debdiffs and fix what > > remains, but it would also be enough to just say "please add > > <!nocheck> and perl-xs-dev" (or start from the package's git repo). > Reducing the friction here obviously is a good idea, but at this point, > I'm unsure how to converge. It's not really a friction (on our side), more that you might be doing unnecessary work. On the other hand … > I strongly prefer working from unstable as that tends to work or has a > ftbfs bug filed. What is in git tends to not work as well (at least > outside the perl team). > > Filing a bug has a dual purpose on my side: For one thing, I transmit > the message and the proposed fixed. However, it also gives me an > automatic handle of when to retry the package. udd knows when a bug is > fixed in unstable. > > Before filing a patch, I want to see that it actually works. So I end up > writing the patch anyway. Not attaching it (even if it doesn't apply to > git), seems less useful to me. … I understand your workflow very well. And from my POV we can just continue in the same way, as I basically just wanted to say that we typically don't apply your debdiffs verbatim. > I guess the best course of action atm is skipping perl issues. Given > more time, the <!nocheck>, perl-xs-dev and multiarch hints will trickle > into more packages solving a big chunk of the problem with less > friction. No, please don't stop :) Without a notification some packages will sit in git without an upload for a long time, but we're happy to do uploads if it boosts cross-buildability. And "notification" can be a bug report, or an email, or whatever. > Please let me know if you reach a different conclusion. Maybe it would also work if you just give us a list of packages to upload with <!nocheck>, perl-xs-dev, and Multiarch:same; and when they don't cross-build afterwards bugs+patches are still an option. But that's entirely up to you; whether you want to first try with a tested patch or after we upload a "modernized" package or something else - let's continue to improve the cross situation in Debian :) Cheers, gregor -- .''`. https://info.comodo.priv.at -- Debian Developer https://www.debian.org : :' : OpenPGP fingerprint D1E1 316E 93A7 60A8 104D 85FA BB3A 6801 8649 AA06 `. `' Member VIBE!AT & SPI Inc. -- Supporter Free Software Foundation Europe `- NP: Rigmor Gustafsson: If You Go Away
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