On Thu, Jan 17, 2019 at 09:28:38PM +0000, Dmitry Bogatov wrote:
>
> [2019-01-15 17:35] Thorsten Glaser <t.gla...@tarent.de>
> > On Tue, 15 Jan 2019, Dmitry Bogatov wrote:
> >
> > > As far as I can tell, /sbin/init invocation is late enough. Usrmerge is
> > > coming. /usr is mounted by initramfs since initramfs-tools=0.117 (25 Sep
> > > 2014):
> >
> > The latter is okay for systems booted with initramfs. But I
> > recall that it was decided some not too long time ago that
> > people not using it should ensure their /usr is available
> > by themselves.
> >
> > I do not agree with usrmerge, and I fully expect to be able
> > to use Debian without that systemd-originating concept.
> >
> > But I agree it’s “probably” late enough, although nice to be
> > considerate to people whose systems aren’t.
>
> > [Pierre Ynard]
> > Also, what is the policy about /usr/libexec/ regarding
> > architecture-dependent and -independent executables?
>
> FHS uses term "binaries". I believe scripts qualify too, since /lib is
> explicitly for "shared libraries and kernel modules". Installation of
> {rc, rcS} into either /lib or /etc is violation of FHS.
>
> > [Pierre Ynard]
> > My personal feelings here would be similar to Thorsten's, but what I
> > would put forward is that considering how critical a component of the
> > system init is, perhaps it's best to strive for robustness for now.
>
> Wow. So strong reaction. Fine. Collegues, I understand your attitude.
> You have some setup, with separate / and /usr, without initramfs, and
> you do not want change anything.
>
> Okay. I moved {rc, rcS} to /lib (see commit 51170798), change will be
> in 2.93-4 (due in few days). Sysvinit will *not* assume, that /usr is
> mounted at /sbin/init invocation in Buster. I promise.
>
> But what next? Assumption of mounted /usr simplify things. You can take
> a look at #551555, but I do not think this is singular case. Two-part
> mount process complicates initscripts for, well, what?
>
> I do understand dislike of initramfs, but I do not understand why
> separate / and /usr. So,
>
> * what are benefits of setup without initramfs *and* with separate /usr
> partition on *fresh installation*?
> * what are your arguments aganist usrmerge?
>
> PS. No offense intended to anybody. Sorry, if my previous emails felt
> rude.
> I don't think this is the place to discuss the pros and cons of separate / and /usr, TBH. And at this point in time is not even so straightforward to "assume a mounted /usr", IMHO. If we cannot put the script under /lib/init, let's leave it under /etc/init.d, or, maybe better, let's put it under /bin, and link it from /etc/init.d. After all, it's an executable that is needed at boot time, so having it under /bin looks totally right, and linking it from /etc/init.d helps avoiding unexpected breakages upon upgrades. My2Cents KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ]
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