On Fri, Dec 07, 2018 at 11:06:01AM +0100, Axel Beckert wrote:
Hi,
leap second [2],
Never noticed that despite having uptimed installed on more or less
all my Debian systems for more like 15 years or so. You're breaking my
tradition!!1!eleventy! ;-)
I understand how you feel, I've used uptimed on all my systems for the
past 10 years.
In the usecase were uptimes shines(servers) there is almost no reason to
no use tuptime [1]
On boards, were usually run from SD, you want to minimize disk
writes, uptimed won't let you remount the filesystem as RO.
With tuptime you'll need to hack a bit to remount RW every now and
then, or run it just before shutting down, but is more manageable.
On laptops uptimed is buggy, tuptime is not.
If you wanna build something on top of the uptime data, tuptime gives
you a sqlite db which is better that parse /var/spool/uptime/records [2]
If you wanna "extend" tuptime you just need yo hack the Python script.
I really don't see a situation where uptimed is better than tuptime.
and general bugginess that hasn't been solved in years [3]
That one I noticed. But as the severity states, it's minor (but
admittedly annoying).
Ricardo (tuptime upstream and Debian maintainer) has agreed to add a
note to tuptime's long description about uptimed (for people doing
`apt-cache search uptimed`) and a migration script [4]
Actually for some reason, I thought the import of the uptimed database
is done by default if present. I probably misread that addition to the
package description.
I'll submit a patch to Buster release notes regarding the removal.
Maybe there should be a transitional package from uptimed to tuptime
which actually calls that migration script. (For that it needs to be
packaged uncompressed and not under /usr/share/doc/. Will file bug
reports for these two things later today.)
No, I don't think tuptime should replace uptimed, their CLI is
different, tuptime pulls Python.
tuptime could run the import script on postinst (I'd provide a patch if
Ricardo agrees with the idea and implementation), but it should not
Breaks/Conflicts/Replaces uptimed in case
someone wants to keep using uptimed after upgrading to Buster. [3]
[1] - tuptime pulls Python as a dep, I don't remeber any server without
python installed in the last years (python apps, or fail2ban, or
ansible, or saltstack or monitoring scripts, and the list goes on)
some people may not want to have python installed
[2] - which may have duplicate data anyway
[3] - uptimed is composed by a binary, a daemon and a library, it only
links against glibc so an old deb should keep working for a few releases
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