Hi On 12.10.2015 14:54, Konstantin Khomoutov wrote: > On Fri, 09 Oct 2015 22:33:59 +0200 Dominik George > <n...@naturalnet.de> wrote: >> Please update the maintainer field or orphan the package. > > While I'm dissatisfied, to put it mildly, with what the submitter > wrote in this bug report regarding me being «unable to respond to any > requests», the crux of their report -- that I'm not really packaging > ejabberd for some time -- is true, and I'm of course fine with > officially resigning if it's deemed the right thing to do with those > doing actual packaging. > > Hence I'd like to hear opinions from Philipp and Rhonda about what > should I do next (if I should).
Personally I don't mind in this case who is listed as maintainer and who is listed as uploader, anybody who looks into the changelog or the PTS can see at once who the most active uploader recently is and direct questions accordingly. What annoys me more is that this bug will block the migration to testing soon and hence delay the availabilty of ejabberd 15.09 in Jessie Backports. Back in March 2014 I actually e-mailed Konstantin with a request similar to this bug report: [...] >> If you're too busy, that's okay, but if this isn't going to change >> in the near future it would be very nice of you to orphan the >> package so other's can take over. > > Before I comment on this please understand that I'm not about > offending you. I'm not the native speaker so what I intend to write > might not sound quite polite but I don't really want to insult you! > > The problem with your statement is that while I understand it's > really bad for the community that I'm abstraining from doing my > maintainership work (and I do feel guilty for this, honest!), so far > other people did little but prodding me about this. Prodding *is* > good but talk is cheap while finding time to do quality packaging > work is hard. Hence currently I'm quite confident that merely > orphaning the package will do nothing to it because the only active > community member -- my uploader Rhonda -- has no time either to do > packaging work for ejabberd. > > Another contributing factor for me not resigning is that before I > even embarked on maintaining ejabberd in Debian I made friends with > three of ejabberd's core developers (one of them, its initial author, > resigned since then) and with jabber.ru staff (jabber.ru is arguably > the largest public XMPP server running ejabberd), and with Erlang > maintainer (with him I even periodically meet face-to-face) [*]. > This places me in a somewhat unique position which many times proved > its usefulness: it allows me to solve various problems quickly > because I'm typically able to ask the relevant persons for help > directly rather than spending time in bug trackers etc. I mean, this > makes me useful exactly for maintaining ejabberd and tkabber -- my > two source packages in Debian. The fact I'm Erlang-literate also > helped several times. > >> Please get back to me about this. > > Sure. The bottom line of my thoughts is that if you feel like > really do the packaging work and not merely hand-waving (like did > most who contacted me about the stagnation of my work) I'll hand it > over to you and will try to help you solve problems should they > arise. > > Otherwise let's see if I will find time to get things done myself as > I did not yet abandon this hope. ;-) > > [*] That's because I helped develop the Tkabber XMPP client which has > been concieved by the same gang of folks back then. I then actually did step in and began to help ;) Anyway, Konstantin's reasoning appeared and still appears very sound to me and he still checks in at the Packaging MUC from time to time and is still reachable, so I am fine with him staying listed as the maintainer. He has done a great job maintaining ejabberd for quite some time. Just as well I wouldn't mind switching places (Uploader vs. Maintainer) with Konstantin. The idea of orphaning the package however is pure nonsense, as it is currently well-maintained. Another option would be to create some kind of team address and put that in the maintainer field. I'd like to hear Rhonda's opinion on this as well. On 12.10.2015 15:03, Dominik George wrote: > Am Montag, 12. Oktober 2015, 15:54:45 schrieb Konstantin Khomoutov: >> Another room of interest is pkg-ejabb...@deb.at which is dedicated >> to packaging ejabberd for Debian. Maybe this quote is incomplete, but I wonder why you didn't point him to ejabb...@chat.deb.at instead, that being Rhonda's channel for the official ejabberd packaging for Debian. Regards, -- .''`. Philipp Huebner <debala...@debian.org> : :' : pgp fp: 6719 25C5 B8CD E74A 5225 3DF9 E5CA 8C49 25E4 205F `. `'` `-
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