> On Sun, 2015-03-22 at 20:35 +0000, Colin Watson wrote: >> Anyway, I would appreciate it if people could refrain from filling >> my mailbox further about this bug. :-) > One last thing perhaps. O:-)
Colin: my apologies for adding work [especially so if any of the work added is unnecessary]. I'm sure you meant well; I do too. On 03/22/2015 06:18 PM, Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote: [...] >> I haven't had time to deal with it over the last couple of days >> (Debian developer in having a social life shocker!), but in brief I >> intend to revert the offending change in its entirety as it's >> clearly causing far more trouble than it can possibly be worth. >> I'll post further rationale when I get half a chance. > > Well I don't really care that much, as said my intention was just to > improve defaults for others. > > But to be honest, and without intending to offend any of the > others,... it kinda seems to me that people make a mountain out of a > molehill. Christoph: there may be a lack of empathy in your response statements. Please try to "put yourself in the user's shoes" -- the issue looks very different from that perspective. [I'm likewise considering this from the maintainer perspective.] > The change is really little, for well grounded security reasons it's > actually intended by upstream that non env vars are send/accepted > unless explicitly allowed by the admin. So people who complain now > likely just abused that "hole" in Debian's default all the years, > which is however no grant for a right to do so forever. Again: at least for me, it's not about /this/ particular change, it's about changes happening to user-modified configs on upgrades without dpkg prompting. sshd_config is literally /the/ most important config file on systems for me, and therefore it's also the file that's most sensitive. [ssh_config similarly.] In terms of the /particular/ changes made to ssh_config and sshd_config in this case, I made the assumption that it was for good reasons and with good intentions so that's why I didn't object to that. But... at the same time I keep in mind that "the road to hell is paved with good intentions". (Which could also include me strongly objecting.) > It feels a bit like the systemd debate where a loud minority started > an outcry about things which in reality probably didn't even affect > them. Since you mention it, I'll just say that the systemd debate is another place marked by arguments that often lack empathy and understanding of the the other person's perspective. -- Chris -- Chris Knadle chris.kna...@coredump.us -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
